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Igoli's Loyalty. The acting Methuselah is also included in the draft?
12 Dec 2023 22:16 - 12 Dec 2023 22:53 #110070
by Coyote
Your vampire plays Igoli's Loyalty
All other Methuselahs decline or don't have titled vampires
You have a titled vampire.
Can you elect to cast your votes in favor and get the pool?
The card says "each Methuselah" and not "each other Methuselah"
In case the answer is yes and
In case you are the only Methuselah with titled vampires.
Can you decline and burn blood once and again to increase the pool amount before electing to cast in favor?
Thanks
All other Methuselahs decline or don't have titled vampires
You have a titled vampire.
Can you elect to cast your votes in favor and get the pool?
The card says "each Methuselah" and not "each other Methuselah"
In case the answer is yes and
In case you are the only Methuselah with titled vampires.
Can you decline and burn blood once and again to increase the pool amount before electing to cast in favor?
Thanks
Igoli's Loyalty
Name: Igoli's Loyalty
[LoB:C]
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Clan: Ishtarri
Cost: 1 blood
Only usable during a referendum, before votes and ballots are cast.
Starting with your prey and going clockwise, each Methuselah with any ready titled vampires may elect to cast all of his or her vampires' votes and ballots in favor for 1 pool. Each time a Methuselah declines, this Ishtarri burns 1 blood to add 1 pool to that amount. Continue until a Methuselah accepts or this Ishtarri fails to burn a blood. When results are tallied, each vampire casting votes or ballots against this referendum burns 2 blood.
Artist: John Bridges
[LoB:C]
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Clan: Ishtarri
Cost: 1 blood
Only usable during a referendum, before votes and ballots are cast.
Starting with your prey and going clockwise, each Methuselah with any ready titled vampires may elect to cast all of his or her vampires' votes and ballots in favor for 1 pool. Each time a Methuselah declines, this Ishtarri burns 1 blood to add 1 pool to that amount. Continue until a Methuselah accepts or this Ishtarri fails to burn a blood. When results are tallied, each vampire casting votes or ballots against this referendum burns 2 blood.
Artist: John Bridges
Last edit: 12 Dec 2023 22:53 by Coyote.
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13 Dec 2023 00:06 #110071
by kschaefer
Replied by kschaefer on topic Igoli's Loyalty. The acting Methuselah is also included in the draft?
The effect may be passed many times. The acting Methuselah may accept the reward. Full details in this post:
groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/lGzforUrQR4/m/91PLHU-p02MJ
groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/lGzforUrQR4/m/91PLHU-p02MJ
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13 Dec 2023 08:00 - 13 Dec 2023 08:01 #110073
by Coyote
Replied by Coyote on topic Igoli's Loyalty. The acting Methuselah is also included in the draft?
Thanks.
And bonus questions
If someone plays a card that doesn't deny titles but deny the ability to cast votes, like closed session, Methuselahs with only tittled non-camarilla vampires are still eligible for the effect (they have titled vampires) but they are forced to decline (this is different from not having titled vampires)
So Methuselahs with titled vampires not able to cast votes are forced to decline?
Another situation. You play Igoli's Loyalty without any titled vampire. The other Methuselah plans to decline once and again to let your vampire empty. After the effect is in play and before you run out of blood, can you play an Ishtarri Kholo to get a tittle and be able to accept the effect?
And bonus questions
If someone plays a card that doesn't deny titles but deny the ability to cast votes, like closed session, Methuselahs with only tittled non-camarilla vampires are still eligible for the effect (they have titled vampires) but they are forced to decline (this is different from not having titled vampires)
So Methuselahs with titled vampires not able to cast votes are forced to decline?
Another situation. You play Igoli's Loyalty without any titled vampire. The other Methuselah plans to decline once and again to let your vampire empty. After the effect is in play and before you run out of blood, can you play an Ishtarri Kholo to get a tittle and be able to accept the effect?
Closed Session
Name: Closed Session
[DS:C2, CE:U, KMW:PAl, NB2:PBH1]
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Requires a prince, justicar or Inner Circle member. Only usable during the polling step of a political action before votes and ballots are cast.
Non-Camarilla vampires cannot cast votes or ballots during this referendum.
Artist: Harold Arthur McNeill; Ginés Quiñonero
[DS:C2, CE:U, KMW:PAl, NB2:PBH1]
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Requires a prince, justicar or Inner Circle member. Only usable during the polling step of a political action before votes and ballots are cast.
Non-Camarilla vampires cannot cast votes or ballots during this referendum.
Artist: Harold Arthur McNeill; Ginés Quiñonero
Ishtarri Kholo
Name: Ishtarri Kholo
[LoB:PI]
Cardtype: Action Modifier/Reaction
Clan: Ishtarri
Only usable during a referendum. Usable by a locked vampire. Title.
Put this card on this Laibon Ishtarri to represent the unique Laibon title of Ishtarri Kholo (worth 2 votes). Not usable if there are any older ready untitled Laibon Ishtarri. Whenever this vampire is not a ready Laibon Ishtarri or there is an older ready untitled Laibon Ishtarri, move this card to (one of) the oldest ready untitled Laibon Ishtarri (if any).
Artist: Alejandro Collucci
[LoB:PI]
Cardtype: Action Modifier/Reaction
Clan: Ishtarri
Only usable during a referendum. Usable by a locked vampire. Title.
Put this card on this Laibon Ishtarri to represent the unique Laibon title of Ishtarri Kholo (worth 2 votes). Not usable if there are any older ready untitled Laibon Ishtarri. Whenever this vampire is not a ready Laibon Ishtarri or there is an older ready untitled Laibon Ishtarri, move this card to (one of) the oldest ready untitled Laibon Ishtarri (if any).
Artist: Alejandro Collucci
Last edit: 13 Dec 2023 08:01 by Coyote.
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13 Dec 2023 19:50 #110077
by kschaefer
Later post in the same thread: groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/lGzforUrQR4/m/BfztiomH64YJ
Replied by kschaefer on topic Igoli's Loyalty. The acting Methuselah is also included in the draft?
Being able to actually cast votes is not a requirement to accept. Having a title is. You can accept.If someone plays a card that doesn't deny titles but deny the ability to cast votes, like closed session, Methuselahs with only tittled non-camarilla vampires are still eligible for the effect (they have titled vampires) but they are forced to decline (this is different from not having titled vampires)
So Methuselahs with titled vampires not able to cast votes are forced to decline?
Later post in the same thread: groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/lGzforUrQR4/m/BfztiomH64YJ
Kholo titles have no restriction during which they may be played in a referendum. You can play one before votes are cast to gain a title and claim the reward from Igoli's Loyalty.You play Igoli's Loyalty without any titled vampire. The other Methuselah plans to decline once and again to let your vampire empty. After the effect is in play and before you run out of blood, can you play an Ishtarri Kholo to get a tittle and be able to accept the effect?
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13 Dec 2023 21:40 #110079
by Coyote
Replied by Coyote on topic Igoli's Loyalty. The acting Methuselah is also included in the draft?
Funny. So the Methuselah can say "I will cast all my votes in favor" although he can't cast any votes. But the requirement is being titled. So It can accept the offer. Thanks.
About the second question, not sure if you understand what I mean.
Example.
Only two players left.
My opponent has a titled vampire
I don't have any titled vampire.
I play Igoli's Loyalty
My opponent can decline once and again and force me you raise the reward and spend blood.
Can an "XXX Kholo" be played after played Igoli's Loyalty and the offer has been declined and before the effect of Igoli's Loyalty is over (someone accepts the offer or the acting vampire runs out of blood)?
Can a reaction/modifier be played in the middle of the resolution of another reaction/modifier?
About the second question, not sure if you understand what I mean.
Example.
Only two players left.
My opponent has a titled vampire
I don't have any titled vampire.
I play Igoli's Loyalty
My opponent can decline once and again and force me you raise the reward and spend blood.
Can an "XXX Kholo" be played after played Igoli's Loyalty and the offer has been declined and before the effect of Igoli's Loyalty is over (someone accepts the offer or the acting vampire runs out of blood)?
Can a reaction/modifier be played in the middle of the resolution of another reaction/modifier?
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14 Dec 2023 13:10 #110082
by Ankha
groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/DpvF2Peet9o/m/dJwiudauzEwJ
Replied by Ankha on topic Igoli's Loyalty. The acting Methuselah is also included in the draft?
No. You need to resolve the card first. See also how Business Pressure works.Can a reaction/modifier be played in the middle of the resolution of another reaction/modifier?
groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/DpvF2Peet9o/m/dJwiudauzEwJ
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