file Erlik and Illusions of the Kindred

22 Jul 2024 07:14 #112108 by Snodig
Will Erlik be given blood by Illusions of the Kindred in time to use his cardtext ability and move 5 of those counters to the uncontrolled region?

My understanding of cards worded with complete sentences and full stops, like Rötschreck, is that each operation is atomic (and interruptable).
Does that imply separate timing windows for each operation?
Meaning
- Illusions is played
- Combat ends
- Erlik enters play (cardtext triggers here)
- Erlik is filled to capacity
- New combat occurs

Or is Erlik already filled to capacity when he enters play, and his cardtext is usable in this scenario?

Illusions of the Kindred

Only usable before range is determined.


Combat ends. Move the bottom card from your crypt to your ready region. That minion does not contest any other minions or titles in play. That vampire gains blood equal to half their capacity rounded down. That vampire and the opposing minion enter combat. Remove that minion from the game at the end of combat (if they are still in play).

As above, but that vampire gains blood equal to their capacity.

Erlik

Sabbat

As Erlik enters play, you can distribute up to 5 blood from him to any of your uncontrolled Harbingers of Skulls. +1 bleed. +1 hand size.

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22 Jul 2024 11:40 #112114 by DavidR
not sure but seens to me that he will enter play with full capacity, distribute 5 blood then fight with the another 5 bloods, no?

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22 Jul 2024 11:41 - 22 Jul 2024 11:52 #112115 by Coyote
The effect "That vampire gains blood" happens in the "Enter play" window.
You can arrange the order of the "Enter play" effects.
So you can fill the vampire and then trigger the redistribution of his blood.

Actually, this combo has been used before.

But yes. The wording could be improved.

And could be funny to see with an "Anarch converter". You could stop the combat and gain1 pool.
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22 Jul 2024 13:09 #112120 by Snodig
Can you shed some light on this, Ankha?

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23 Jul 2024 06:04 #112133 by Ankha

Will Erlik be given blood by Illusions of the Kindred in time to use his cardtext ability and move 5 of those counters to the uncontrolled region?

My understanding of cards worded with complete sentences and full stops, like Rötschreck, is that each operation is atomic (and interruptable).
Does that imply separate timing windows for each operation?
Meaning
- Illusions is played
- Combat ends
- Erlik enters play (cardtext triggers here)
- Erlik is filled to capacity
- New combat occurs

Or is Erlik already filled to capacity when he enters play, and his cardtext is usable in this scenario?

The latter.

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23 Jul 2024 07:44 #112135 by inm8
Ankha could you please provide your rationale for the ruling?

I and others thought because of the separate sentences; of moving the vampire to the ready region, and the gaining blood, that the “as Erlik enter play” would happen in relation to the first part of being put in play and thereby before actually gaining any blood.

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