file Truth of Blood / Show of force with SUP form of mist

19 Feb 2025 19:08 #113751 by Charles_Bronson
If I play an action like Truth of Blood or Show of Force, do I trigger the block effect every time I block the action if it continues with cards like Form of Mist at superior?


Combat
Form of Mist
Protean Strike: dodge.
Superior Protean Strike: combat ends. After combat ends, if this vampire was blocked while performing an action, they can burn 1 blood to continue the action with +1 stealth as if unblocked, even if stealth is not yet needed. A vampire can play only one Form of Mist at superior each action.

Action
Truth of Blood
AuspexQuietus Ⓓ Bleed with +1 bleed. If this action is blocked, the blocking minion's controller discards 2 cards at random before block resolution. Those cards are not replaced until after this action.
Superior AuspexSuperior Quietus As above, but bleed with +2 bleed.


Action
Show of Force
Potence Presence Ⓓ Bleed with +1 bleed. If this action is blocked, before range is determined during the first round of the resulting combat, this vampire can gain +1 strength that combat.
Superior Potence Superior Presence As above, but at +2 bleed and this vampire can gain +2 strength.


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19 Feb 2025 19:42 #113752 by Ankha

If I play an action like Truth of Blood or Show of Force, do I trigger the block effect every time I block the action if it continues with cards like Form of Mist at superior?

Yes.

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20 Feb 2025 16:33 - 20 Feb 2025 16:34 #113757 by alf

If I play an action like Truth of Blood or Show of Force, do I trigger the block effect every time I block the action if it continues with cards like Form of Mist at superior?

Yes.

In case of Show of Force and Form of Mist, the second combat would be a different combat then the related one from SoF, so due to card text no, I‘d assume?

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20 Feb 2025 20:10 - 20 Feb 2025 20:11 #113759 by Ankha

If I play an action like Truth of Blood or Show of Force, do I trigger the block effect every time I block the action if it continues with cards like Form of Mist at superior?

Yes.

In case of Show of Force and Form of Mist, the second combat would be a different combat then the related one from SoF, so due to card text no, I‘d assume?


If the SoF action continues with a Form of Mist and is blocked again, it's still the SoF action that is blocked (again). So the "If this action is blocked" part applies (again).

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21 Feb 2025 23:43 #113768 by Kilrauko

If I play an action like Truth of Blood or Show of Force, do I trigger the block effect every time I block the action if it continues with cards like Form of Mist at superior?

Yes.

In case of Show of Force and Form of Mist, the second combat would be a different combat then the related one from SoF, so due to card text no, I‘d assume?


If the SoF action continues with a Form of Mist and is blocked again, it's still the SoF action that is blocked (again). So the "If this action is blocked" part applies (again).


And for the VDB updaters, who somehow have missed the LSJ on this one, here you go, from 2008;

groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/zW7dOa0NLMU/m/NlPFK_8cGQAJ

> Say I have a vampire with an Ambulance, who possesses inferior Auspex
> and Quietus. This vampire bleeds with Truth of Blood , i.e. +1 bleed
> and if the action is blocked the blocking minion's methuselah discards
> two cards at random, not replacing until the end of the action.
> I get blocked my a vampire controlled by my prey. We get into combat
> (blocking methuselah has 5 card hand size) and biff each other around
> a little. Combat finishes. Now I tap my Ambulance; the blocking minion
> attempts and successfully blocks again. Does the blocking minion's
> methuselah now discard another two cards, going to down to a hand size
> of 3? (assuming it was originally 7)?

Yes.

> Would the same apply if the
> bleeding methuselah had played Form of Mist at superior instead of
> tapping an ambulance?

Yes.

> What if he played Ambulance, and THEN form of
> mist in the next combat, and is blocked again? i.e. can the Truth of
> Blood discard effect keep stacking during the one Truth of Blood
> action?

Yes.


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