Cave of Apples and Weigh the Heart (sup)
03 Sep 2025 06:47 - 03 Sep 2025 06:48 #115338
by Hobbesgoblin
Cave of Apples and Weigh the Heart (sup) was created by Hobbesgoblin
LSJ ruled in 2009 that "weign the heart" (sup) triggers after " Cave of Apples' change-of-control clause window is closed"
groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/O0nUeORcnOQ/m/opEo4wOY_YYJ
But since then the card text of "Weigh the Heart" changed
Old Text
Only usable as a
-Action is announced. If this action is successful, put a corruption counter on a minion controlled by the target mehtuselah (after resolving the action)
New Text
Only usable as a directed action is announced. After action resolution, if this action was successful, put 1 corruption counter on a minion controlled by (any of) the target Methuselah(s).
The new text explicetly puts the Effect into well defined and often used "after action reoslution" window, so my question is: does the Above Ruling/Post by LSJ uphold, or has the changed card text changed that?
second question:
While very theoretical due to disciplines:
Could you play way the heart (sup) and Revelations of the Serpeion (sup) on Platonum protocol (all disciplines) to immedeatly place and burn 2 corruption counter to unlock?
Unique location.
Ministers you control can put 1 corruption counter on an ally or younger vampire controlled by your prey as a Ⓓ action. If the action is successful and the number of your corruption counters on the minion equals or exceeds their capacity or cost, you can burn those counters to steal that minion.
Only usable during a bleed action.
+1 bleed (limited), or +1 stealth and +1 bleed (limited).
As above, and if the bleed is successful, this vampire can burn 2 of your corruption counters from a minion controlled by the target Methuselah to unlock.
Requires an Anarch. More than one Discipline can be used to play this card. Ⓓ Bleed.
This is a +1 stealth action.
The bleed is with +1 bleed.
Put 1 corruption counter on a minion controlled by the target Methuselah if the bleed is successful (for 1 or more).
groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/O0nUeORcnOQ/m/opEo4wOY_YYJ
But since then the card text of "Weigh the Heart" changed
Old Text
Weigh the heart KMW



New Text
Weigh the heart POD


The new text explicetly puts the Effect into well defined and often used "after action reoslution" window, so my question is: does the Above Ruling/Post by LSJ uphold, or has the changed card text changed that?
second question:
While very theoretical due to disciplines:
Could you play way the heart (sup) and Revelations of the Serpeion (sup) on Platonum protocol (all disciplines) to immedeatly place and burn 2 corruption counter to unlock?
Cave of Apples
Unique location.
Ministers you control can put 1 corruption counter on an ally or younger vampire controlled by your prey as a Ⓓ action. If the action is successful and the number of your corruption counters on the minion equals or exceeds their capacity or cost, you can burn those counters to steal that minion.
Revelations of the Serpent
Only usable during a bleed action.




Platinum Protocol
Requires an Anarch. More than one Discipline can be used to play this card. Ⓓ Bleed.



Last edit: 03 Sep 2025 06:48 by Hobbesgoblin.
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