file Aching Beauty / Terrifying Visage, in combination with other cards

23 Oct 2025 21:39 #115624 by Richard the other one
I need help on clarification regardin when to trigger the effect from Aching Beauty and the new Terrifying Visage. (they look to bee much the same)

I have read that the damage does take place in combination with Change of target, Obedience and Horrific Countenance. [RTR 19991206] [LSJ 20091125]

Do the opponent take pool damage if i play Crocodile's Tounge and he fail his block attempt?

Do the opponent take pool damage if i play the new Hedonism?


In my undarstanding of Aching Beauty it takes action after a opponent say they attempt to block. But before any resolution? Is this the same as attempt to block?
It feels like the intention of the card as they always tend to be sold in decks together.

Can anyone cast some light on the sequencing surounding Aching Beauty so i can get a better understanding of all this?

Thanks

Name: Aching Beauty
Cardtype: Master
Clan: Toreador
Cost: 2 pool
Put this card on any Toreador. If this Toreador is blocked, the blocking minion's controller burns 1 pool before block resolution.

Name: Crocodile's Tongue
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Discipline: Auspex
Only usable if an ally or younger vampire attempts to block.
[aus] That attempt fails and that blocking minion's controller cannot attempt to block this action again. That blocking minion can burn 1 blood or life to cancel this card as it is played.
[AUS] As above, but canceling this card requires 1 additional blood or life.

(This is from reading on the new card,)
Name: Hedonism
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Only usable by a ready unlocked vampire other than the acting minion if a minion attempts to block. 
[] That attempt fails and that blocking minion's controller cannot attempt to block this action again. Lock this vampire and the blocking minion, and queue a combat between them.
[] As above, but queue no combat.

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27 Oct 2025 05:40 #115649 by inm8

I need help on clarification regardin when to trigger the effect from Aching Beauty and the new Terrifying Visage. (they look to bee much the same)

They are similar and work the same with regards to causing pool loss.

“If X is blocked, the blocking minion's controller burns 1 pool before block resolution.“

I have read that the damage does take place in combination with Change of target, Obedience and Horrific Countenance. [RTR 19991206] [LSJ 20091125]

Correct, they are played in the same time window, when the action has been blocked, and thus AB/TV has triggered and have to be resolved.

Do the opponent take pool damage if i play Crocodile's Tounge and he fail his block attempt?

Do the opponent take pool damage if i play the new Hedonism?

No, failing the block attempt means the action is not blocked and thus doesn’t meet the condition of AB/TV (“ If X is blocked”).

In my undarstanding of Aching Beauty it takes action after a opponent say they attempt to block.

This is incorrect, an attempt to block is not to be equated to a successful block, which is what the condition is for AB/TV.

But before any resolution? Is this the same as attempt to block?

No, the meaning here is to explicitly state that the pool loss is to happen in the time window between the action being successfully blocked and the resulting next step which is block resolution (i.e. locking the blocker and entering into combat)

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28 Oct 2025 08:58 - 28 Oct 2025 09:05 #115664 by Bloodartist

I need help on clarification regardin when to trigger the effect from Aching Beauty and the new Terrifying Visage. (they look to bee much the same)

I have read that the damage does take place in combination with Change of target, Obedience and Horrific Countenance. [RTR 19991206] [LSJ 20091125]

Do the opponent take pool damage if i play Crocodile's Tounge and he fail his block attempt?

Do the opponent take pool damage if i play the new Hedonism?


In my undarstanding of Aching Beauty it takes action after a opponent say they attempt to block. But before any resolution? Is this the same as attempt to block?
It feels like the intention of the card as they always tend to be sold in decks together.

Can anyone cast some light on the sequencing surounding Aching Beauty so i can get a better understanding of all this?

Thanks


Its very simple. If a minion is blocked, aching beauty triggers. Please refer to the latest printings of cards to find out the most up-to-date text. For example, Change of target says "only usable if this minion is blocked."

Now if the card you play when action is blocked, has text that says that the action was NOT blocked, such as horrific countenance, hedonism, and other block fails, then aching beauty doesn't trigger. Note that these cards are essentially played when "action is about to be blocked". You can divide cards into two categories: those that say "action was blocked, but stuff happens.." and "action is not blocked". AB triggers with the former, not with the latter. If the block fails, then action was not blocked. Simple.

Since change of target doesn't say anything about action not being blocked, the other effects resolve including skipping of combat etc. But since the action remained blocked, aching beauty has a trigger that needs to be resolved even if there is no combat.

I'm not sure when exactly the pool has to be paid for AB, but in practice it doesn't really matter. At your earliest convenience, before you move on.

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