Re: Domain of Evernight + Outside the Hourglass vs. Carrion Crows + Rotschreck

Now that is a really strange ruling...

Erol wrote:

My acting Trujah gets blocked by an Tzimisce, I play Domain of Evernight. Combat starts, I play Outside the Hourglass, the blocking player plays Carrion Crows, does my 2 aggravated damage occur before he has the opprtunity to play Rotschreck?

Erol: (some Trujah action), "Blocks?"
Kevin: "TzimisceX attempts to block"
Erol: "I play Domain of Evernight...ok, I'm blocked"
"Pre-range, I play Outside the Hourglass."
"No more pre."
Kevin: "I play Carrion Crows."
"No more pre."
Erol: "You must take 2 agg before the pre-range phase ends."
Kevin: "Shit."
TzimisceX takes 2 agg, likely goes to torpor, combat ends...

Actually I don't think you would even have chance to play the carrion crows if you go to torpor from the OtHG since acting minion has priority to play stuff first.

Klaital wrote:

Actually I don't think you would even have chance to play the carrion crows if you go to torpor from the OtHG since acting minion has priority to play stuff first.

This other link from LSJ should answer all your Outside the Hourglass questions.
He confirms

> - You can play horrid form (and similar cards) before preventing/
> healing damage from an OtH already played

> - You can play any (number) "only useable before range is determined"
> cards before preventing/healing damage from an OtH already played.

> - You can play Skin of Night at inferior to change the nature of the
> damage from an OtH already played if that damage is aggravated before
> preventing/healing that damage.

So you can quite happily cycle your Carrion Crows, Terror Frenzy and Drawing out the Beast in the hope of getting to the Horrid Forms you need to prevent the damage.

I had thought differently as well, but that's the official ruling.

Correct answers from Mael.

Even though the opponent has played Outside the Hourglass, you can play "before range" cards (Carrion Crows, Flesh of Marble, ...).

Rötschreck can be played on the minion taking damage from OtH.
Once Rötschreck is played, in the "before range" step, combat ends, and we don't consider damage that would have been inflicted later (Carrion Crows, Drawing out the Beast)...
This has been reverted: www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/79432-rotschreck-and-non-strike-agravated-damage?start=18#104475