file Nosferatu - Give them some love...

19 Aug 2019 05:19 - 19 Aug 2019 05:20 #96339 by Lech
I still think that better equipment synergy for obfuscate would be a nice little touch. Of course, EVERY equipment synergy card need to be very carefully examined against weenie :obf: with camera phones in comparison with computer hacking.

But card that would work as disguised weapon, but better would make :nosf: bit better.

:obf: :combat: Only usable before range is determined. Equip with a weapon or armor from your hand (requirements and cost apply as normal).
:OBF: :modifier: Play non-unique, non-vehcle, non-location equipment from your hand or weapon on this vampire as the action is announced.

Removing unique equipment from equation removed balance problems, removing vehicles and locations was purely thematic. Still can be used to get laptops for bleed. Can be used to get things like cooler (blood gain for 1 pool), Incriminating Videotape (against star block, only potential issue), googles, or agate talisman for votes.

Armor - Leather Jacket, Kevlar Vest, Flak Jacket, perhaps a new one designed by BC.

Another thing to consider when it comes to nosferatu is to fix potence for high capacity vampires.

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Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.
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19 Aug 2019 07:46 - 19 Aug 2019 07:48 #96340 by Kraus
Now, of course, we just got news that EC finals was won by Otso Saariluoma with his Nangila Were + Enkidu combat deck. Before we jump into conclusions, consider these:

1) EC's meta for each of the days varies widely. The second day is often leaning more on control, and smaller victory point totals offer a higher standing. Meta is always shifting however, and is always only what players make it to be, so take this with a grain of salt.

2) The vampires used have it all: obfuscate, animalism and potence. If we had more Nosferatu with built-in rushes (Nangila and Enkidu) and built-in strength (Enkidu), we could see more viable Nosferatu combat decks. Then again, would they really be Nosferatu decks if they only ever feature those vampires, and would not use cards or even support vampires from those clans? Is an Enkidu deck really a !Gangrel deck - has it ever been?

3) Saying Potence is the _worst_ combat discipline is simply not true, as it has some okay match ups against other combat modules like weenie animalism. They throw shit at people like nobody's business. But overall it's mediocre at best. A nice hit-back against meta relevant combat packages when tooled up with other things and abilities can be nice, but not alone, and Nossies just don't have those other things (Robin excluded, and he's only okay as far as vampires go).

Before we see the deck list we can't say what sort of a spread it has for whatever, but ask yourselves this: if it was practically a Nosferatu discipline spread the crypt had, why was it not a Nosferatu deck? :) I've been toying around with an idea of writing blog posts about what you should by from BCP to get whatever kind of deck. The working name is "So, you want to play...". So, if you want to play Nosferatu, be glad you have :ANI: Tremere and Tzimisce handy! Those are your go-to Nosferatu crypts. Imagine if Gabrielle and John Dee would've been Nosferatu with somewhat modded disciplines. Now that's something.

A skilled player (Otso being top notch) in a good environment can make miracles happen with a stick taped onto another stick (WWST !Nos weenie meta confirmed!). This is the beauty of VtES. It doesn't say that Nossies wouldn't need some boost.

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19 Aug 2019 10:48 #96345 by elotar
Actually IMO there are too much combat in the present VtES.

As I understand aggressive decks are only used for additional VP to pass finals/day 2 threshold - to win you should play some type of combat.

It's IMO very bad for the game, especially on casual level.

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19 Aug 2019 11:13 #96346 by Lech
What is exactly bad with combat ? Isn't it too little used anyway compared to how many combat cards are in the game and as important it is in the lore ? I hope no combat cards players will get punished even more in coming days.

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19 Aug 2019 13:01 #96355 by elotar

Lech wrote: What is exactly bad with combat ? Isn't it too little used anyway compared to how many combat cards are in the game and as important it is in the lore ?


It was discussed countless times already.

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19 Aug 2019 15:57 #96359 by elotar
Actually EC final was a good example - 4 combat decks at the table was doing nothing for 2 hours, one non combat deck just dies horribly between tupdogs and Enkidu managing to make like 4 actions during the game. Actually the right way to play for poor Arika player was to not influence any minions and wait for opening. So we will have 5 decks doing nothing and stupidity of the situation will be even more obvious.

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