List of cards to ban

Ban one or more Cards is no Option for this Game.

At this time no one can print an Errata Version of a Card and no one will bring out new Cards so lets keep all Cards we have to play.

If you haven`t enough of one Card, try to trade or buy them. V:TES is Worldwide someone will trade with you. B)

elotar wrote:

I'm thinking that dominate will become much less good without govern.

You still have Scouting Mission. Which still gives you 2 free pool (which is the net effect of Govern anyway). And you still get to bleed for 5 with 2 cards and a blood (Scouting Mission+Conditioning).

bakija wrote:

'm not agreeing with you here. Maybe we got different meta (much less bleed), but I found versality of T. misdirections or murmurs better then deflection in some decks.

The versatility of Telepathic Misdirection is certainly something, but then you are paying a blood for +1 intercept (which is otherwise generally free). And you need to have AUS to use it as bounce. And it taps you at AUS. Murmur isn't particularly good as a basic bleed bounce, as it taps you and you need to be older and you need to have DOM. It is useful in a deck that already has 8 Deflections in it as a versatile +1 bleed or backup bounce. But you still want those 8 Deflections too.

That Deflection leaves you untapped at DOM is the problem. If the superior was something else (don't pay a blood, say), it'd be reasonable. But as it is, Redirection and Murmur are both infinitely less good than Deflection. And Telepathic Misdirection is ok, but if you can use Deflection, you are still better off.

That kind of discussions lead to nowhere.
People who are having problems with winning games, tournaments etc. will always try to find an explanation for that. It that case - they would blame cards... Come on...

wargrim wrote:

That kind of discussions lead to nowhere.
People who are having problems with winning games, tournaments etc. will always try to find an explanation for that. It that case - they would blame cards... Come on...

People who don't like PTO should learn to play?

elotar wrote:

As was pointed out, by now it's impossible to print proxies, so let's choose more bloody and fun way!

Main reasons to put card in this list:
1. card is hard to find
2. card is no braner addition to any deck, which can allow it
3. card's effect is too powerful
4. card slows the game
Apd: 5. Card is adding nothing 2 the game.

I'll update list during the discussion

Villein 1,2,3.
Giant blood 2,3.

Heart of Nischteus 1,2,3,4.
Parity shift 1,2,3.
Govern the unalignet 2,3.
Pentex subversion 1,2,3.
Both DI 1,2,4.

Dreams of the Sphinx 1,2,3.
Jake Washington 1,2.

Ashur tablets 1,4.
Wash 2,4.

Yes propably You've got right. Ban all this cards. The game will be more fun...and then unban MOM, EOE and PTO ---> the game will be definietly even more fun

For serious if Yo wanna ban cards then start playing the best pro emo-generation card game - Magic The Gathering. Gamers palying mtg just love banning and setting limitations so the game is more balanced. I think MTg is fitting You and your believes.
Basically Vtes is a multiplayer game where sitting and player abilities are more important the Your Tier1 deck with Power Cards. Even if You have Top1 deck you can easily loose game in a moment because there is no God-mode card in vtes. this is not 1 on 1 game so there is more unknown factors which may change the course of Game. You can't blame cards for loosing and if You do You would rather blaming credibility to get the card from the deck. It's always random...

I agree with wargrim

transmission out,

Main reasons to put card in this list:
1. card is hard to find
2. card is no braner addition to any deck, which can allow it
3. card's effect is too powerful
4. card slows the game
Apd: 5. Card is adding nothing 2 the game.

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1. VTES is a CCG. Sort of reasonable financial explanation? Maybe releasing the most wanted as a set/proxy or smth.

2. You mean it works in every deck? Then everyone can use it. Contesting is one of the best aspects of the game.

3. Almost every card has a counter measure

4. So does many other things. Making decicions is part of the game. Do not take it too seriously.