PB - Shadow Court Satyr & Reflex Cards

I don't think Target Vitals helps with burning since its damage is not aggravated and inflicted after the normal damage of the strike.

On topic: is there anything special about Reflex cards, or can I put a Swallowed by the Night on the satyr and use the +1 stealth?

Ohlmann wrote:

Then again, all thoses card are not earth meld, thus are illegal to play on a shadow court satyr.

He'd get the card, then untap, then I think the rest of the benefits are derived from the card being in play - "this vampire" being "the vampire with this card".

If they're derived from the card being in play, the card no longer sees SCS as a vampire.

Non-existant user wrote:

I don't think Target Vitals helps with burning since its damage is not aggravated and inflicted after the normal damage of the strike.

On topic: is there anything special about Reflex cards, or can I put a Swallowed by the Night on the satyr and use the +1 stealth?

TV damage is same as source damage, IIRC

Non-existant user wrote:

I don't think Target Vitals helps with burning since its damage is not aggravated and inflicted after the normal damage of the strike.

It wouldn't inherit the aggravated status from DBR, but it's done at the same time as the rest of the damage. Successfully inflicted means the damage from the strike wasn't prevented. Then all the damage is handled, with TV bundled in.

[LSJ 20091123]

LSJ wrote:

floppyzedolfin wrote:
> Hi,
> A Nephandus with 3 life is in combat with a vampire with a .44 Magnum.
> The vampire's strike is to use the Magnum, and he modifies it with an
> uncancelled Target Vitals. Nephandus strikes for 1R.
> There is no prevention card played, does the Nephandus burn?

.44: 2R.
After Nephandus: 1R.
After T:V: 3R.

Non-existant user wrote:

On topic: is there anything special about Reflex cards, or can I put a Swallowed by the Night on the satyr and use the +1 stealth?

SCS's card text restricts him to using the effect "Once each combat", and you can't use an action modifier in combat. Nor can you play stealth in combat. So it would be a bit useless.

Pendargon wrote:

TV damage is same as source damage, IIRC

And in that case, the base damage is the non aggravated damage from the gun, not the aggravated damage from the DBR.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

It wouldn't inherit the aggravated status from DBR, but it's done at the same time as the rest of the damage. Successfully inflicted means the damage from the strike wasn't prevented. Then all the damage is handled, with TV bundled in.

I don't think you can deduce that from the Nephandus ruling. Later in the same thread, LSJ explained:

LSJ wrote:

I imagine the question was whether the T:V was a separate source of damage to be
separately reduced by Nephandus's special.

He only answered on the fact that the Target Vitals damage comes from the strike (card text), so it counts as a single damaging effect for the Nephandus. That doesn't say anything about the timing.