Played some VTES with Paradox

Ashur wrote:

So I think we need a new actor here. Ideas anyone?

So I will say in plain text there.

Here is relevant example kickstarter:
www.kickstarter.com/projects/2113976333/shadowfist-year-of-the-goat/description

Their goal was $40k to produce 6 starter set and, as I understand everything was succesfull (55 cards in each ~$10 starter, thow).

We got ~2000 members in this new forum (so they are all active minus bots), and as was told much more (*10) players, who are not using it. So it's like $2 per average player costs.

We got artists, design and playtest teams, as well as motivated representatives with organizational experience (princes) all around the world.

We don't need any "professional company" to return our game to print.

Sorry for the delay guys. Was slammed with work over the past couple of days. I did just send out an email to BNS to see if they are interested. I'll keep everyone posted as to the the response.

on another note: How about AEG (Alderac)? They just successfully rebooted the Doomtown card game not that long ago. I don't know anyone at AEG but perhaps one of you guys do?

elotar wrote:

We don't need any "professional company" to return our game to print.

except we want to have a positive relationship with the people who own the intellectual properties that we would be using. Going out and circumventing them in printing the game.., I believe the technical term is "a dick move." Even if you print it and have the company based in Russia, and Hasbro sues, no retailer where Hasbro has some kind of reach will sell your product.

elotar wrote:

So I will say in plain text there.

Here is relevant example kickstarter:
www.kickstarter.com/projects/2113976333/shadowfist-year-of-the-goat/description

Their goal was $40k to produce 6 starter set and, as I understand everything was succesfull (55 cards in each ~$10 starter, thow).

We got ~2000 members in this new forum (so they are all active minus bots), and as was told much more (*10) players, who are not using it. So it's like $2 per average player costs.

We got artists, design and playtest teams, as well as motivated representatives with organizational experience (princes) all around the world.

We don't need any "professional company" to return our game to print.

That Kickstarter was run by the owners of Shadowfist, Inner Kingdom Games:

innerkingdomgames.com/

They own the property, they ran the Kickstarter, they printed the cards.

That is very different from the situation with V:TES.

BenPeal wrote:

They own the property, they ran the Kickstarter, they printed the cards.
That is very different from the situation with V:TES.

There are absolutely no difference - If Hasbro decided to sue IKG on the basis that they own patent on Trading Card Games, or right to print cards with squire pictures or generraly any other imaginary reason than they'll be as scruwed as we are - legal and other costs will be unberable even if the case is clearly winnable.

But I'm sure that if Hasbro are not interested even in discussing the question, than they will obviously not bother to do anything, espessialy if we remove all elements connecting the game to them (icons, layout, card backs, name ets).