!trem/trem VIC THA AUS DOM g4/5

Crypt (Capacity min=6 max=11 avg=8.16; 12 cards)
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4x Malgorzata 9 pre AUS DOM THA VIC !Tremere:4
2x Mistress Fanchon 11 AUS CEL DOM OBF THA VIC Tremere:4
2x Nickolai, The Survivor 6 aus dom pot pre tha vic !Tremere:4
4x Rutor 7 pro vic AUS DOM THA Tremere:5

Library (73+???)=====
Master (??? cards)


Action (18 cards)
12x Govern the Unaligned
4x Pulse of the Canaille
2x Rutor's Hand

Action Modifier (21 cards)
6x Bonding
9x Changeling
6x Mirror Walk

Reaction (18 cards)
5x Delection
5x On the Qui Vive
5x Telepathic Misdirection
3x Wake with Evenings freshness

wish i had eyes of argus, bring on POD and this section of my deck will feel better; deflections+eyes+TM+OtQV would be amazing; 5 eyes instead of 3 wakes for 20 reactions would be ideal. enough intercept for when it matters

Combat (10 cards)
10x Meld with the land

Combo (6 cards)
6x Plasmic Form

Modified by hand (Sep 20, 2013 18:47)

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what masters should i use?

CHEAP ONES PLEASE, pod doesn't exist yet duh

if i have to buy them it'll be through idasoft17
www.ebay.com/usr/idasoft17 (good sir do you frequent these forums?_

its where im getting meld with the land; combining shippign and makign oen purchance seems obvious for poor folk like me


SO LET US GET POD AND ABOLISH MONEY ON THE SAME DAY, eh?

Not sure why yoir doimg this deck, mate.

Meld with the land isnt even the ideal combat avoidance you have acess to, since your using thq and vic. I know youre ona budget, but wind dance, blood of acid, or even rotschrek with chiropteran marauder or burst of sunlight are better. Still not great though. With this crypt, id reccomend rego motus, mirror walk, and breath of the dragon. But you are ona budget. So id say a different deck is better.

Id reccomend the best combat ends, earth meld, in a deck trying to bleed and avoid combat in interestimg ways. Rickstock and many others have earth meld pretty cheap compared to a few years back, and honestly, using gangrel with dominate is a great deck. Earth meld, form of mist, earth control, etc with dominate. And stanislava and genivive and hartmut all vote too. You get out a fatty, minion tap or whatever, govern if you want,and typically have caitlin and iliana as support.

Or, rachel brandywine and gregor anderseen madness network with earth meld.

Tham or vic bruise n bleed is doable. But again, not understanding this deck over other options. Its analogous to using celerity and presence stealthbleed with alacrity and other celerity stealth that costs blood when you could use obf pre and do the same thing better. If you do cel pre bruise n bleed with resist earths grasp, guns, and tastes it makes some sense, but not when you use something weaker for no real reason.


Oh, and master cards, if you use this style deck: villein. Dreams. If you block, pb monty and barranquilla, pentex, jack.

If you arent blocking, suddens, washes, anarch troublemaker, mayne pentex, vessels, elder library even, and the rack. If you arent blocking alot, its not a terrible plan to be like other stealthbleed and try to make your prey not gain pool with your mpas.

4x Malgorzata 9 pre AUS DOM THA VIC !Tremere:4
2x Mistress Fanchon 11 AUS CEL DOM OBF THA VIC Tremere:4
2x Nickolai, The Survivor 6 aus dom pot pre tha vic !Tremere:4
4x Rutor 7 pro vic AUS DOM THA Tremere:5

Library (83+???)=====
Master (5 cards)

1 information highway
4 effective management



Action (18 cards)
12x Govern the Unaligned
4x Pulse of the Canaille
2x Rutor's Hand

Action Modifier (21 cards)
6x Bonding
9x Changeling
6x Mirror Walk

Reaction (23 cards)
5x Delection
8x On the Qui Vive
5x Telepathic Misdirection
3x enhanced sensors


Combat (10 cards)
10x Meld with the land


Combo (6 cards)
6x Plasmic Form

9 Govern the Unaligned
3 Pulse of the Canaille
2 Rutor's Hand
6 Bonding
8 Changeling
6 Mirror Walk
4 Seduction
6 Plasmic Form
9 Meld with the Land
3 Effective Management
1 Giant's Blood
1 Golconda: Inner Peace
1 Information Highway
1 Pentex(TM) Subversion
2 Villein
4 Zillah's Valley
5 Deflection
5 Eyes of Argus
4 Obedience
5 On the Qui Vive
5 Telepathic Misdirection
Crypt:
4 Malgorzata
4 Rutor
2 Mistress Fanchon
2 Nickolai, The Surv



Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 6 max: 11 average: 8.16667

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4x Malgorzata 9 AUS DOM THA VIC pre priscus !Tremere:4
4x Rutor 7 AUS DOM THA pro vic Tremere:5
2x Mistress Fanchon 11 AUS CEL DOM OBF THA VIC inner circle Tremere:4
2x Nickolai, The Surv 6 aus dom pot pre tha vic !Tremere:4


Library [90 cards]

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Action [14]
9x Govern the Unaligned
3x Pulse of the Canaille
2x Rutor's Hand

Action Modifier [24]
6x Bonding
8x Changeling
6x Mirror Walk
4x Seduction

Action Modifier/Combat [6]
6x Plasmic Form

Combat [9]
9x Meld with the Land

Master [13]
3x Effective Management
1x Giant's Blood
1x Golconda: Inner Peace
1x Information Highway
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
2x Villein
4x Zillah's Valley

Reaction [24]
5x Deflection
5x Eyes of Argus
4x Obedience
5x On the Qui Vive
5x Telepathic Misdirection

mirddes wrote:

Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 6 max: 11 average: 8.16667

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4x Malgorzata 9 AUS DOM THA VIC pre priscus !Tremere:4
4x Rutor 7 AUS DOM THA pro vic Tremere:5
2x Mistress Fanchon 11 AUS CEL DOM OBF THA VIC inner circle Tremere:4
2x Nickolai, The Surv 6 aus dom pot pre tha vic !Tremere:4

Think I would rather see 3x Rutor and 3x Fanchon, though it's a close call.

Action [14]
9x Govern the Unaligned
3x Pulse of the Canaille
2x Rutor's Hand

Cut the Pulses. Replace with three masters.

Action Modifier [24]
6x Bonding
8x Changeling
6x Mirror Walk
4x Seduction

I'd cut two Changelings to free up room for combat cards.

Combat [9]
9x Meld with the Land

I'd drop two, add 3x Chiropteran Marauder and 1x Breath of the Dragon, using the two slots from above.

Master [13]
3x Effective Management
1x Giant's Blood
1x Golconda: Inner Peace
1x Information Highway
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
2x Villein
4x Zillah's Valley

Was originally going to suggest 1x Vicissitude and 2x Sudden Reversal, but this is a 90 card deck with huge choke potential. You desperately need The Barrens and Dreams.

I think he was avoiding breath of the dragon, due to cost or something along those lines. This deck could be ok, but i still see a crapload of really big vamps. And you run zillahs. Id be worried 2 villein arent enough. Rutor, assuming at least part is paid for with a govern, is ok, but id worry about istress and malgrazota both out fist before using mals bloat. Sb eat this stuff alive.