Lasombra politic rules the night

About Jonatan "Hoppe" Sjöberg auther of the TWD I happen to know this man pretty well (Skypeing with him now ), we say that the trick is that sure you might handjam on masters but 6 trifles and the zillah's and information highway you discard with dreams...

And the crypt speed is forth the extra masters. He has also played the deck for years and he tells me it is carefully calibrated and the pros overweigh the cons.

Further

Pendargon wrote:

@Randy - definitely interesting, and i see that we made a very similar deck

I dislike having Marcus Vitel, for several reasons:
1) He is a camarilla prince, and therefore plays against the private audiences in the deck.
2) He is a 10-cap, and therefore cannot be govern out by Ambrosio
3) He is a prince of the highly, highly contested city (ok, so is Francisco Domingo, but he is at least a 9-cap lasombra)
4) I can't stand "I has faaaangs!!!" picture of Marcus (both of them:laugh: )

My kin against the world would maybe be excellent addition to the deck, though i am worried about the blood cost, as this deck generally should have blood issues, with villeins, and obt stealth costing blood. And, of course, dominate .
But a very, very interesting idea, i will try to fit 1-2 my kins against the world

1. You play 2 privat audience, i would personally remove them for perfect paragon anyway
2. Yes he can be governd on by Ambrosio but ha can govern on the others, think of him more like a 5th Ambrosio rather. Another vampire who has good special abilities and superior PRE.
3. Of the 4 vampires who has the D.C. title i have only seen Marcus and Armin brenner in play (the other two are Sascha Vykos adv and Benjamin Rose)and of them Marcus is the one i have seen mostly.
4. Yes his fangs....

I'm just saying you should give him a try

Thanx for the info, but i will try to play it with 17-18 masters first. Dreams can be difficult, as they contest easily, but villein + zillah + govern makes for great speed in influencing out.
Say hi to mr. Jonatan from me, and congratulate him for winning with this interesting deck!

On Vitel: still not sold on him... If i would put another 10-cap, it would be Ayalea, and not him, as she has a vote more, does not contest title, and is sabbat. I like private audience, it helped me so many times to punch through against my ventrue/toreador preys where perfect paragon would left me far from the needed amount of votes.
Also, Armin and Benjamin Rose are often seen here, and Emerson Bridges appears in the old-school lawfirm a lot. Washington is not a good place to be a prince
And the Faaaangs...!!

Powerbase Madrid. Awesome card.

Yes I know, another proposal of a master card. But try it, it's worth at least one thought.

Also everybody hates the surprize Baltimore Purge

Another suggestion for the "combat problem": Drop all combat cards and add let's say 10 Nocturns, and maybe 1 or 2 The Unmasking ...

Pendargon wrote:

Marconius is perhaps a tad too big in a crypt of really big vampires, and Sela is 7-cap archbishop with presence and obtenebration and potence.

My experience is that inferior Obtenebration is quite bad. YMMV.

Pendargon wrote:

Barrens are also not in on purpose, as i reckon i have more than enough masters for a 75 cards deck (and i have 2 dreams for cardflow).

I wouldn't play a deck with this many moving parts without a Barrens, but that's just me.

Pendargon wrote:

I have, indeed, forgotten about the Power structure, though i don't know if it is needed, since i do not expect to have more than 3 (if that much) vampires ever.

Three votes is the same as a Ventrue Headquarters, but for free and it can't be stolen or destroyed.

Pendargon wrote:

Obedience is better when rushed, but combat ends is better when blocked B).

Given the size of your minions and the complexity of your actions, I think you should make not getting blocked a priority. Obedience also has the additional benefit of acting like a free pseudo-Arms of Morpheus against 0-stealth actions.

Pendargon wrote:

Also, you have to be older for obedience, does not help a lot when rushed by cock robin, or a big gun-totting alastor, or renegade garou (and that happens around these parts).

Fair enough.

Pendargon wrote:

Zaire river ferry and Mylan are really good ideas, but i don't know what to take out for them? Any suggestions?

Six Voter Caps seems like a lot to me, especially for a deck with so little votepush and only 13 political actions. I would expect you to have some in hand, unplayable due to lack of a political action or passable vote, at least once or twice per game, so dropping a pair of them wouldn't be a terrible idea.