Madame Guil Typhonic Beast

-4 Toreador Grand Ball
-1 Society HG
(more stealth and blood gain below)

+1 Serpentis
+1 Lilith's Blessing
(get SER and gain some blood)

+1 Villein
+1 Giant's Blood
(recoup blood fast and stop others from GB)

+1 Monster
(untap after torporing/burning minions)

-1 Freak Drive
-1 Forced March

-1 Second Tradition

-1 Flash
(more stealth and combat below)

+2 Resist Earth's Grasp
+2 Form of the Serpent
(Madame G can get stealth off both of these immediately)

-1 Helicopter
+1 Heart of Nizchetus
(A better Alastor target IMO)

Jeff wrote:

-4 Toreador Grand Ball
-1 Society HG
(more stealth and blood gain below)

Hmmmm, I can see what you're driving at. But I don't want to run the risk of being lazily intercepted by an AUS weenie with an Enhanced senses and then not being able to get any of my actions off. Once I get the Alastor + Eye, the rest is just gravy, though having unblockable rushes is going to be pretty good as well.

Jeff wrote:

+1 Serpentis
+1 Lilith's Blessing
(get SER and gain some blood)

I'm not sold on the Serpentis master, as it's not really going to be much value add... I might be wrong though, but really - I can't see what it is going to provide. Lilith's Blessing is super good though.

Jeff wrote:

+1 Villein
+1 Giant's Blood
(recoup blood fast and stop others from GB)

+1 Monster
(untap after torporing/burning minions)

These are all good ideas. I'll see if I can squeeze them in.

Jeff wrote:

-1 Freak Drive
-1 Forced March

-1 Second Tradition

I need my FD and FM fix!!!!

Jeff wrote:

-1 Flash
(more stealth and combat below)

+2 Resist Earth's Grasp
+2 Form of the Serpent
(Madame G can get stealth off both of these immediately)

I don't like the idea of Form of the Serpent, it requires me to run a SER master that I need to get, and even though you are advocating it, why when CEL can give me what I want straight out of the box?

Jeff wrote:

-1 Helicopter
+1 Heart of Nizchetus
(A better Alastor target IMO)

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Helicopters are awesome.... but I guess I could put the Heart/Alastor on another Vamp, not just Madame Guil. Even a weenie can have the heart after my star gets her Eye for craziness.

But I like Helicopters, great for end game.

Hmmmmmm, I'll think about this one.

I agree on the fact that the serpentis master seem a wasted slot. On madame Guil, she need an Eye of Hazimel and the master to ... gain one press. Woot. Flash is free, at least.

Form of serpent allow a second +1 stealth on the same action, but having the master and one card of each when they are in x2 seem at bast a prayer card for me.

And, really, Temptation is worth a try

I'm not sold on the Serpentis master, as it's not really going to be much value add... I might be wrong though, but really - I can't see what it is going to provide. Lilith's Blessing is super good though.

The Serpentis master does provide up to 10 presses with Typhonic Beast. That can allow you to cut back on your pure combat cards, in particular Flash. If you include Lilith's Blessing, it is also searchable, so it is not really much cost at all.

I need my FD and FM fix!!!!

That's why you have Monster now! Doesn't require FOR to be effective, and you will be smashing minions left and right.

I don't like the idea of Form of the Serpent, it requires me to run a SER master that I need to get, and even though you are advocating it, why when CEL can give me what I want straight out of the box?

FotS is there for stealth at inferior mainly so you don't have to rely as much on those TGBs. The maneuver at SER is just nice (and free) once you have the Eye.

Banishment might also be worth considering. You could potentially have Madame Guil at 12 cap with FOR/SER.

Jeff wrote:

The Serpentis master does provide up to 10 presses with Typhonic Beast. That can allow you to cut back on your pure combat cards, in particular Flash. If you include Lilith's Blessing, it is also searchable, so it is not really much cost at all.

Too much moving part for too few thing in my opinion. When you need 2-5 slots to be able to use two master phase to have a slight boost on a third card if you equipped a fourth one, it's too complicated and direct way to get press are much better. Compare badly to more flash, ore simply Mob Connection.

Let's say it in other words. If you put a serpentis, once you have it on, you gain as much presses as typhonic beast on the deck. Direct gain I think.