Forgery + Capitalist

After seeing Galliard's post about Forgery, I thought of this deck. Seems like it might be fun. What changes could I make to make it more playable?

Deck Name: Forgery + Capitalist
Author: TorranceCircle
Description: I'm not the best deck builder or player but the idea is to use vessel to gain pool from the forgery and capitalist blood gain while putting constant pressure on your prey. I added some auspex bounce since four minions in the crypt have superior. Hunting grounds for added blood gain Nosferatu Kingdom for speed and pool gain. Combat defense seems weak. Vessels work well with Raphael and will help keep his +1 bleed going. I would consider adding more of him to the crypt.


Crypt (Capacity min=4 max=6 avg=5.17; 12 cards)
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2x Drusilla Euphemia 6 dem vic AUS OBF !Malkavian:4
2x Frank Litzpar 5 ani for pot OBF !Nosferatu:4
2x Ingram Frizer 6 ani pot AUS OBF !Nosferatu:3
2x Luc 5 dem vic OBF !Malkavian:4
2x Raphael Catarari 5 aus pot tha OBF PRE !Nosferatu:4
2x Skidmark 5 aus pot FOR OBF !Nosferatu:4


Library (88 cards)
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Master (21 cards)
1x Asylum Hunting Ground
7x Capitalist
1x Nosferatu Kingdom
1x Shanty Town Hunting Ground
8x Vessel
3x Wash

Action (18 cards)
18x Forgery

Equipment (2 cards)
2x Laptop Computer

Retainer (2 cards)
1x J. S. Simmons, Esq.
1x Tasha Morgan

Action Modifier (21 cards)
4x Cloak the Gathering
2x Elder Impersonation
3x Faceless Night
2x Into Thin Air
6x Leverage
4x Lost in Crowds

Reaction (12 cards)
2x My Enemy's Enemy
2x On the Qui Vive
4x Telepathic Misdirection
4x Wake with Evening's Freshness

Combat (9 cards)
2x Behind You!
3x Gemini's Mirror
2x No Trace
2x Quick Exit

Combo (3 cards)
3x Swallowed by the Night

Created with Secret Library v0.9.4a. (Mar 31, 2013 01:04:40)

Perhaps drop non-aggressive combat package and take Disguised Assault Rifles, Ivory Bow and the like (if blood/poolgain works, you can afford the pool cost). Also, Robert Carter would be good as you would pay his blood cost with Forgery.

Pentex Loves You! and PB: Zürich maybe?

Using Forgery is an admirable goal, but when I see Raphael in a decklist and then a bunch of other five cap vampires with OBF, I just wonder: why not do Herbert + Renenet and be done with it? Three five cap vamps with OBF/PRE will destroy your prey, will keep you alive much more directly with Social Charm or Public Trust than with the elaborate Forgery + Capitalist + Vessel setup, and will keep you out of combat.

DeathInABottle wrote:

Using Forgery is an admirable goal, but when I see Raphael in a decklist and then a bunch of other five cap vampires with OBF, I just wonder: why not do Herbert + Renenet and be done with it? Three five cap vamps with OBF/PRE will destroy your prey, will keep you alive much more directly with Social Charm or Public Trust than with the elaborate Forgery + Capitalist + Vessel setup, and will keep you out of combat.

Since you said it first, i dont feel as bad:
Your are reinvinting the wheel, but shapex like a square. You use vessels(cost pool) to pull back beads, then bleed non aggressively for 3@ most, assuming you have the edge for a leverqge, which if you have 3 minions is once a turn, to gain a blood and make it into pool next untap.

It seems like a kindred spirits envy deck, where your dont want to play dementation, but want a worse, limited effect like what base ks does.

Just using dementation with capitalist/percectionist and leverave and vessel means you could bleed for1-5 and fain a pool for each carded action bleed. And, you have coma or no trace to deal with combat, touch of clarity and hide the mind to bounce, etc.

I like decks using junky cards, but really, this just isnt that fun looking. You could apply the same concepts with masters, bloating, and leveage/bleed reainers to a ks deck, and gain pool faster while bleeding for more.

Thats making your prey win less, and yourself harder to oust, more efficiently than with forgery.

I think forgery in a deck where you spend fast blood is theoretically doable. But to blood farm, id cryptic mission, combat, or even just use loads of vessels and bd with actions to get blood, then have maybe one minion bleed and someone play enticement.

And if the goal is using Forgery for something useful, Blood Brother seem much better. Since they can add +4 bleed easily with Sanguinis and use a LOT of blood with their cards, Forgery seem really superior to Computer Hacking.

Of course, the Kiev Circle can't play it and tend to be the best one for stealth bleed since they are smaller and can get a bit of stealth from protean. But a Chicago circle deck with Forgery seem a decent deck that should be able to win game or tournament with a bit of luck and skill and don't seem strictly inferior to a Kiev S&B version (since you can actually do something in combat).

(by the way, I am not the one who came up with the concept)