Forgery + Capitalist

ReverendRevolver wrote:

DeathInABottle wrote:

Using Forgery is an admirable goal, but when I see Raphael in a decklist and then a bunch of other five cap vampires with OBF, I just wonder: why not do Herbert + Renenet and be done with it? Three five cap vamps with OBF/PRE will destroy your prey, will keep you alive much more directly with Social Charm or Public Trust than with the elaborate Forgery + Capitalist + Vessel setup, and will keep you out of combat.

Since you said it first, i dont feel as bad:
Your are reinvinting the wheel, but shapex like a square. You use vessels(cost pool) to pull back beads, then bleed non aggressively for 3@ most, assuming you have the edge for a leverqge, which if you have 3 minions is once a turn, to gain a blood and make it into pool next untap.

I like decks using junky cards, but really, this just isnt that fun looking. You could apply the same concepts with masters, bloating, and leveage/bleed reainers to a ks deck, and gain pool faster while bleeding for more.

Thats making your prey win less, and yourself harder to oust, more efficiently than with forgery.

Of course its not optimal. That really was not why I put it together. I put the list together to use a sub-optimal card that someone had posted he just ended up with a lot of after buying some starters. I think this is playable. As for wether it is fun or not, its a matter of taste. I think knidred spirits bleed or weenie stealth bleed or weenie presence bleed or computer hack bleed are all less than fun to play with and to play against. At least with this deck you might get a few "that's cute" or "that's silly" which I would take over "Oh god, weenie bleed." Also, bleeding for one can be effective. Night Moves repeatedly can be effective.

TorranceCircle wrote:

ReverendRevolver wrote:

DeathInABottle wrote:

Using Forgery is an admirable goal, but when I see Raphael in a decklist and then a bunch of other five cap vampires with OBF, I just wonder: why not do Herbert + Renenet and be done with it? Three five cap vamps with OBF/PRE will destroy your prey, will keep you alive much more directly with Social Charm or Public Trust than with the elaborate Forgery + Capitalist + Vessel setup, and will keep you out of combat.

Since you said it first, i dont feel as bad:
Your are reinvinting the wheel, but shapex like a square. You use vessels(cost pool) to pull back beads, then bleed non aggressively for 3@ most, assuming you have the edge for a leverqge, which if you have 3 minions is once a turn, to gain a blood and make it into pool next untap.

I like decks using junky cards, but really, this just isnt that fun looking. You could apply the same concepts with masters, bloating, and leveage/bleed reainers to a ks deck, and gain pool faster while bleeding for more.

Thats making your prey win less, and yourself harder to oust, more efficiently than with forgery.

Of course its not optimal. That really was not why I put it together. I put the list together to use a sub-optimal card that someone had posted he just ended up with a lot of after buying some starters. I think this is playable. As for wether it is fun or not, its a matter of taste. I think knidred spirits bleed or weenie stealth bleed or weenie presence bleed or computer hack bleed are all less than fun to play with and to play against. At least with this deck you might get a few "that's cute" or "that's silly" which I would take over "Oh god, weenie bleed." Also, bleeding for one can be effective. Night Moves repeatedly can be effective.

That's true. I played a 40-copies-of-Night-Moves deck once or twice, and it worked fairly well - though it was horribly monotonous, and quickly retired. In the case of the Capitalist/Forgery deck, though, I can't see it being fun even the once. But if you're going to enjoy it, then by all means go for it.

I still maintain that bleeding for an amount that will virtually never be blocked and gaining 2 blood has some promise, i just dont think attempting to bloat is the best end for the given means. Maybe an easy eay to pump out shamblers and or dead hookers(reanimated corpse). Maybe a way to afford cards like seeds of corruption, mind of a child, prison of the mind, sense dep, etc. Even faerie wards(use low bleeds to make people thunk your all defense, then oust with conditioning, while making actions fail with wards) .

All of those have potential. Or, use it with gangrel to play mythic form and recoup the blood with bleeds of 1-2, tier of souls pending. You probably wont get blocked if you seem serious about playing mythic form, since you probably have good combat too...

Im not saying suboptimal means no fun. I had a Mata Haru weenie fortitude hunting grounds bloat deck. It was a self sustaining cockroach of a deck if it lived into being set up, with 4-5 minions with blood dolls and or vessels and an equal number of hunting grounds. Bled for 2 with camera phones or retainers, prevented damage, and was unassuming as it got. But i got tired of dying while seting up masters and tooling minions, so it got scrapped.
I always admire players doing decks like this, even if it seems even more counterintuitive than other fun decks to me.