Ravnos will do

Posco wrote:

If i take out the cards you say, would be ok to put some maneuver cards?

Carrion Crows does damage at range. You don't need maneuvers for offense and for defense, you have S:CE, dodge and prevent. Hidden Strength or Indomitability combined with Carrion Crows does much, much more work for you than a maneuver, in just about every probable scenario.

And what about the crypt? What do you think about it?

10 pool is way too much for a vampire that is basically going to be used as a vanilla Ravnos. Switch to group 2-3 for cheaper vampires with better Disciplines if you can. If not, build the crypt and deck around 2 superior Disciplines. ANI/CHI/for with a mix of Carrion Crows, Traps, Aid from the Bats and Apparitions should be a simple, fun and reasonably playable combat package.

As a more general deck building advice, avoid half-hearted two piece combos. For example, you have 1x Mass Reality and 2x Talith in your current list. Either one of them alone is either pretty bad or useless. Even if they would be absolutely amazing together (which is debatable) the chances of hitting both pieces in a relatively short time frame is somewhere in the 1-5% range. More often than not, you're going to draw one piece at a time and clog your hand with dead cards while waiting for the other half. One or two dead cards may not seem like a big deal in an 80-card deck but it is. That is how decks die. It's not a fun experience for anyone.

For crypt, I would focus on Vasiliy Vasilevich and Chavi Oraczko as your main vampires, they both have very strong specials, and ANI/CHI and at least some level of fortitude. Switch fata amrias to occlusions, also switch skin of steels to armor of vitality, much better card, especially at basic fortitude that most of your guys have.

Posco wrote:

Hello! I'm quite new to the game and i need some help building my Ravnos deck.... can you tell me how this one looks? I made it yesterday and I want some opinions and improves you would make... thanks!
Deck Name: Ravnos will do
Author: Posconymous
Description:

My core problem with the deck is that it has no defense against being ousted. Reading through the deck, things are largely making sense until I get to no reaction cards.

Crypt (12 cards; Capacity min=3 max=10 avg=6.67)
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2x Brian Thompson 4 ani chi for Ravnos:4
2x Gwen Brand 3 aus chi Ravnos:5
2x Kiradin 8 ani pot CHI DEM FOR Ravnos:4
2x Lizette 10 pot ANI CEL CHI FOR PRO Ravnos:4
2x Paul Forrest, False Prophet 5 chi for pre Ravnos:4
2x Phaedyme 10 pre tha ANI CHI DEM FOR Ravnos:5

I very much do not like the newer Ravnos, however, a lot of that comes from how the fatties are just so awful. There are smaller to midsize minions that don't have good discipline spreads but are adequate. There is also the Ravnos with Dementation possibility in newer Ravnos. But, the 10 caps are just harshly not worth 10. On the other hand, if that's what you have to work with, there are ways to mitigate their overcostedness.

Library (80 cards)
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Master (18)
1x Barrens, The
4x Chimerstry
1x Fortune Teller Shop
1x Giant's Blood
4x Minion Tap
1x Park Hunting Ground
3x Path of Paradox, The
2x Svadharma
1x Week of Nightmares

I'm good with all of these cards, though I'm not a big Svadharma fan. The main issue I see is that your crypt dictates being more aggressive on acceleration and on getting their blood off of them. Six Minion Taps would be more palatable. Information Highway, Dreams of the Sphinx would go in for me to get some acceleration.

I would also run Kumpania.

Action (11)
1x Army of Rats
1x Mass Reality
2x Sensory Deprivation
1x Shared Nightmare
3x Trick of the Danya, The
3x Tumnimos

I would lose the Army, Mass Reality, Shared Nightmare, and the Tricks. As for the Tumnimos, I would be inclined to either drop them or drop the fat crypt cards, since you are upgrading vampire disciplines anyway.

Equipment (9)
4x Camera Phone
1x Karavalanisha Vrana
1x Shilmulo Tarot
2x Talith
1x Treasured Samadji

Drop one or two Camera Phones. Karavalanisha Vrana is just a horrible card in my opinion - overcosted, slow, narrow, not particularly good return on investment even if you somehow magically get it into play and ever make use of it.

Action Modifier (17)
3x False Resonance
6x Fata Morgana
6x Freak Drive
2x Mantle of the Moon

Mantle can go - way too expensive, especially when Chimerstry has tons of stealth options. Occlusion is strong. I'm not all that big of a fan of False Resonance, though it's more that Mirror's Visage and Will-o'-the-Wisp are cards I prefer.

Combo (9)
3x Fata Amria
6x Mirror Image

Fata Amria may not be unplayable, but it's awful. Where are the wakes? Where are Cats' Guidance, Draba, Ignis Fatuus, and/or permacept?

A fast horde deck could get away with minimal defense as it could just try to race its predator with maybe some Tribute to the Master bloating. But, I see a predator just walking over this deck. Even Sensory Deprivation backwards just means your grandpredator walks through your predator and you.

Either bloat a bunch or use the cards available to Ravnos and intercept stuff.

Animalism reactions, masters that defend your pool (major boon, dummy corp, or the minimum of archon investigation) and maybe some rqven spies make this deck less of an eaay tqrget. If i were yourxpredator, id be cery happy. Id let you jaxk up your prey, maybe even sense dep a minion and make it seem like you angered me. Then id oust you and take your prey in a turn or two, because you tool and trick with no blocking, and i can bleed for 6 at will with no fear of being burned, bounced, or hindered at all. A govern and a bonding trumps your defenses, and you cant minion tap enough to compensate for that issue.

If yiu retool your crypt, chavi is hot, as is callirus, focus more on midcaps and gaurxing your pool with masters and reactions, instead of buying fatties with spreads and specials you dont care about and trying to rake back your beads with taps.

Week of nightmares+crows+press with some prevent is tedious for any deck not prepared with a ton of fortitude or sce, taking 4 damage a turn from 2 sources is rough even with fortitude more than a few rounds, and tasting to compensate for WoN is useful too.

Basically, you have sense deps, and some decent cards in your collection. This deck can be decent if you streamline it. It may not play like the deck you built initially, but thatll be ok, because youll have a better deck that could win, moves cards, and is competent.

I've remade the deck, and raised it to 90 library cards... I changed the crypt so now it's more midcaps than it was. And i added some intercept to the deck.

Can you tell me how it looks now? It's more competitive or it's just trash?


I would also apologize if i write something wrong, my english is not that good... (i'm spanish)

Deck Name: Ravnos will do v.2.0
Author: Posconymous
Description:


Crypt (12 cards; Capacity min=3 max=8 avg=5.33)
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2x Alexis Sorokin 8 for CEL CHI OBF PRO Ravnos:4
2x Brian Thompson 4 ani chi for Ravnos:4
2x Callirus 5 ani CHI FOR Ravnos:4
2x Chavi Oraczko 7 nec ANI CHI FOR Ravnos:5
2x Gwen Brand 3 aus chi Ravnos:5
2x Paul Forrest, False Prophet 5 chi for pre Ravnos:4

Library (90 cards)
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Master (19)
1x Barrens, The
4x Chimerstry
1x Fortune Teller Shop
1x Giant's Blood
1x Kumpania
3x Major Boon
3x Minion Tap
1x Park Hunting Ground
3x Path of Paradox, The
1x Week of Nightmares

Action (6)
2x Sensory Deprivation
4x Tumnimos

Equipment (7)
3x Camera Phone
1x Shilmulo Tarot
2x Talith
1x Treasured Samadji

Action Modifier (16)
3x False Resonance
6x Fata Morgana
6x Freak Drive
1x Mantle of the Moon

Reaction (12)
4x Cats' Guidance
4x Ignis Fatuus
4x Wake with Evening's Freshness

Combat (16)
4x Apparition
6x Carrion Crows
3x Indomitability
3x Skin of Steel

Combo (14)
2x Fata Amria
6x Mirror Image
6x Occlusion

Created with Secret Library v0.9.4a. (May 29, 2013 01:26:47)



EDIT: I just realized that maybe i don't need the Minion Tap as i would need more some Blood Dolls or Vessels since i don't have that fatty vamps. What do you think? It's better keeping the Minion Taps or change them for Blood Dolls or Vessels?

EDIT 2: I would also want to thank you all for your help! =)

Ill focus on the crypt then move on:

Almost awesome. Alexis S is one of my favorite vamps that ive never gotten to work very well. Cool specials, hot art, neat backstory, if youd care to read (kindred most wanted, p56-61) but wonky discipline spread. Id almost run mata hari and neel before alexis in this. Ariadne isxalmost tempting.....

Moving down, maybe bd or vessel instead of minion tap, lose 1 boon at least to become an archon investigation, trade 2 wakes forxon the que vive, and think about looking into alternates for camera phone(retainers) andxsome of your chimestry thqt costs blood being ani stuff that is not as flexible.

Good direction, looks like a solid casual deck, nearly competetive.

EDIT: holy crap, cant beliece i missed this.

Ignus is kinda ayable, but not that awesome.
But.
Draba is amazingly useful, turn 2-3 ignus fatas into draba. Maybe more. I havent ran more than that, but ive though about it.

And scratch what i said about mata hari and neel. Neels still an idea, but Anjelica Underwood is better for you. Maybe mix rats warning and cats guidance in your reactions.