Shambling Horde. Need advice.

brandonsantacruz wrote:

BTW, what part of the world do you hail from?

His profile indicates Sweden.

Thanks for the reading tips Adonai, that will keep me busy awhile

brandonsantacruz wrote:

Regina Giovanni pays 1 less for allies, which is nifty. With the Govern, she can get more dudes for cheap. What about Lia Milliner? You can probably cut the 2x Dominate Kine for 2x Arson or 1x Arson and 1x something you may be lacking. Pentex Subversion is always a good choice.

BTW, what part of the world do you hail from?

Rigina could be a good inclusion in the crypt but im a little worried about her size. I would be able to get out 2 smaller vampires in the same time it takes to influence her out. Might be worth to include one or two just for the fact that she can go nuts with governs though.

My current crypt looks like:
2x Andrea Giovanni 7 DOM NEC pot vic Giovanni:2
2x Carlotta Giovanni 7 NEC POT dom obf Giovanni:2
2x Isabel Giovanni 5 DOM NEC pot Giovanni:2
2x Gloria Giovanni 4 DOM nec Giovanni:2
2x Rudolfo Giovanni 3 NEC Giovanni:2
1x Gillespi Giovanni 7 DOM NEC POT aus Giovanni:2
1x Le Dinh Tho 5 NEC aus dom Nagaraja:2

Planned on replacing Gillespi with another Le dinh tho if i could get my hands on one. The reason i didnt include Governs in my first version of the deck was that its basically only Andrea who can reliably use it on superior, possible Isabel aswell but thats a stretch considering theres only 4 younger vampires then her in the crypt. I will probably have to rethink my crypt to make the governs more effective, Lia miller would definalty help with that.

I uncluded the Dominate kines hoping to be able to steal some hunting grounds or other nice locations but 2 of them might not be needed. Afterall it would take 2 turns of gaining blood from a stolen hunting ground just to pay for the cost of stealing it. Ill probably keep one in there so i can retrieve it with sudario though.

Pentex subversion is also one of those cards i find clog up my had when i get it. It feels too valuable to throw away but alot of times i cant find a good opportunity to play it. I mostely use it if theres a big nasty bleeder behind me or against blockers that my Shamblings cant beat down.

BTW, what part of the world do you hail from?

I am from the dark cold north of Sweden like Adonai pointed out. Our play group here seams to be fairly large and from what i gathered from last thursday there are around 12-13 players active here in my town.

With a good sized play group like that, there may be players willing to give/trade/sell some of the newer cards like Wider View. Many play groups even have a "free" box of overflow cards that could help round out your decks. I'm sure they will have spare cards like Glancing Blow since it has been reprinted several times.

As for Governing, even if you only have 4-5 guys with DOM it can be worth while to include a few copies if you have a significant number of younger vampires than them. Lia Milliner can help with that, just like Rudolpho, by being young enough for Isabel and Gloria to help bring out. Also, having that variety of capacity numbers + govern is great for getting you out of a bad initial transfer position (like going 2nd in your case). If you have Jake Washington, he is often used as a free hunting ground/chump blocker. Dreams of the Sphinx came out a long time ago and is great to get some more cards in your hand/ash heap or transfer guys out faster. If you are not going to use Pentex, consider Sudden Reversal to stop yourself from being pentexed or to stop players from gaining too much pool. I'm sure the tournament winning deck archive has a lot of ideas I've missed.

Welcome back to the game!

brandonsantacruz wrote:

With a good sized play group like that, there may be players willing to give/trade/sell some of the newer cards like Wider View. Many play groups even have a "free" box of overflow cards that could help round out your decks. I'm sure they will have spare cards like Glancing Blow since it has been reprinted several times.

As for Governing, even if you only have 4-5 guys with DOM it can be worth while to include a few copies if you have a significant number of younger vampires than them. Lia Milliner can help with that, just like Rudolpho, by being young enough for Isabel and Gloria to help bring out. Also, having that variety of capacity numbers + govern is great for getting you out of a bad initial transfer position (like going 2nd in your case). If you have Jake Washington, he is often used as a free hunting ground/chump blocker. Dreams of the Sphinx came out a long time ago and is great to get some more cards in your hand/ash heap or transfer guys out faster. If you are not going to use Pentex, consider Sudden Reversal to stop yourself from being pentexed or to stop players from gaining too much pool. I'm sure the tournament winning deck archive has a lot of ideas I've missed.

Welcome back to the game!

I gotta say based on my previous experience from gaming forums I didnt expect people beeing this friendly and helpful, it was a pleasant surprise. Im thankful for all the tips and advice you guys have given me.

My old card collection is quite large and contains pretty much everything from camarilla and backwards so hopefully i will be able to trade for some of the new goodies out there. My main focus will be to finish the shamblings deck so i can start playtesting it and change it up as i learn. After that i will probably bash togeather a derange deck so i can put my 10 Derange to use

Unfortunatly i have missplaced my Rachel madness network sleaze deck containing most of my dementation cards. But i guess after moving twice and not playing for 6 years i cant expect to find all my old stuff

Ill update the thread later this week after i play test the deck some. Thanks a ton for the help guys!

I would replace Carlottas with Gillespis or Enzos to make your governs more reliable. This doesn't really look like a deck that would get too much mileage out of her special, so someone with superior dominate would likely be better. I would also replace the traps with more fake outs instead, for two reasons, first is that its generally more common for people to run to long than to dodge, and second that your vampires can also use fake outs to survive combat whereas trap doesn't really help much with that.