Gangrena - The Unaligned
08 Oct 2014 17:11 #66232
by Desso Alastor
Desso Alastor
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Prince of São Paulo / Brazil ID#706
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Hi, Reverend Revolver
(How do you oust?
I see no fame. Monster may be a good include as well.)
may reach a kick of "5", you can easily take down opponents
Can I have a chance of having:
1 Ivory Bowl
3 Body Flare
(How do you oust?
I see no fame. Monster may be a good include as well.)
may reach a kick of "5", you can easily take down opponents
Can I have a chance of having:
1 Ivory Bowl
3 Body Flare
Desso Alastor
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Prince of São Paulo / Brazil ID#706
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08 Oct 2014 17:11 #66233
by Lech

Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.
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Instanteous goes well with gift of proteus. Just 1 copy of fm and it would help you save on blood, two raptors plus two freaks means 6 blood, any hit back and your vampire may end up in torpor.






Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.
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08 Oct 2014 17:31 #66235
by Desso Alastor
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True, I'll put 1 forced march + 1 instanteous transformation and remove 2 Freack Drive
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08 Oct 2014 18:56 - 08 Oct 2014 18:56 #66239
by Timo
It si not enough...
You say "imagine this deck with 7 raptor". So it means 14 blood... And it doesn't count the FD And other things...
And it is not one HG and 5 taste which will do the trick...
Replied by Timo on topic Re: Gangrena - The Unaligned
True, I'll put 1 forced march + 1 instanteous transformation and remove 2 Freack Drive
It si not enough...
You say "imagine this deck with 7 raptor". So it means 14 blood... And it doesn't count the FD And other things...
And it is not one HG and 5 taste which will do the trick...
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08 Oct 2014 20:34 - 08 Oct 2014 21:26 #66256
by Desso Alastor
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Lord Timo, also has 2 Vessel, note the ability of the vampire Matasuntha,
Independent: When a minion opposing Matasuntha in combat leaves the ready region,>>> gain 1 pool <<<. +2 strength.
the long term is a small pool of manufactures. what will easily be able to stay using the Vessel to return if there blod need.
+ 5 taste
+ HG
+ 1 Giant`s Blood
Independent: When a minion opposing Matasuntha in combat leaves the ready region,>>> gain 1 pool <<<. +2 strength.
the long term is a small pool of manufactures. what will easily be able to stay using the Vessel to return if there blod need.
+ 5 taste
+ HG
+ 1 Giant`s Blood

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09 Oct 2014 06:15 - 09 Oct 2014 06:20 #66262
by Timo
OK, let's imagine that all your assets are in place and everything go smoothly :
you've got your HG in place, 2 vessels and also guardian angel :
Bum's rush on Arika which is frehsly influenced and you don't want your prey to play a FAT villein (otherwise you will have to bleed 8 more times).
Before range you play pack alpha + raptor (2 blood)
Then, you've got to choose : either (1) you play your Body Flare (2 blood) or (2) you strike for 3.
case (1) Arika is in torpor with 10 blood
case (2) Arika is ready with 8 blood and you don't have anything to press, additional or whatever
Both (1) and (2) or bad choices IMO
Case (1) you would have paid 2 blood but now you HAVE to diablerize Arika (or it would have all been for nothing) and so, either Matasuntha go (and you better pray the table will want a lunatic with Matasuntha power on the table) either a young boy go and nobody will be afraid to block.
Case (2) you have spent a rush action to hit Arika for 3...
Let's say you didn't have the choice because you didn't draw 1 of your 3/90 copies of body flare
And then, you pay a FD (1 blood) in order to be able to do another thing let's say another rush on Arika and another raptor (2 blood) so you have paid 5 bloods (so half your capacity) in 2 actions in order to have dealt 6 normal damages without torporizing anyone and having 2 raptor which for now are just expensive raven spy who help your opponents to cycle. So next turn you will be able to pay 2 pools in order to have 8 blood.
Now, let's look at what could have gone wrong :
- you don't have 1 of your 3/90 untap blood gains
- you don't have 1 of your 2/90 Guardian Angel so your 2 combats cost you 2 additional damages = 2 bloods lost (flesh of marble will not save you).
- Arika play 1 random
card or let's say majesty or worse obedience
- Jake Washington/Carlton/anyone blocks
Without all those consideration, let's do some math :
A game of VTES is about 12 turns I think imagine that of your 3 untap blood gain (vessels and HG), you draw them 1 in the first third, the second in the second third and so on :
the first will roughly gain you 10 bloods along the game, the second 6 bloods and the third 2 bloods = 18 bloods (costing you with the better scenario of the first being the HG : 2 + 1+6 + 1+2 = 12 pools)
I discard GB as a blood gain because it is a coin flip if YOU will be able to gain something with it.
Now imagine you are able to gain about 2/3 of the max capabilities of you 5 taste 2/3*5*3 = 10 bloods
Total blood gain = 18 + 10 = 28 bloods
And now, let's have a look at the cost of your cards :
ritual chalenge (1) + shadow of the beast (1) + pulse of the canaille (3) = 5 bloods
15 freak drive (1) = 15 bloods
3 body flares (2) = 6 bloods
7 raptors (2) = 14 bloods (you will not play the last 2 raptors obviously...
Total cost of 5 + 15 + 6 + 14 = 40 bloods
and you WANT to fight and to fight at close range and your only prevents are 2 guardian angel and 4 rollings so you will take damages (flesh doesn't prevent the hitback from the embrace)
and you play homunculus which has a huge additional blood cost
So yes, you've got 2 vessels, 5 taste ang a giant's blood and I don't know Brazilian meta but yeah, I really think you will not be able to pay for more than 3 raptors without being bloodless...
Replied by Timo on topic Re: Gangrena - The Unaligned
Lord Timo, also has 2 Vessel, note the ability of the vampire Matasuntha,
Independent: When a minion opposing Matasuntha in combat leaves the ready region,>>> gain 1 pool <<<. +2 strength.
the long term is a small pool of manufactures. what will easily be able to stay using the Vessel to return if there blod need.
+ 5 taste
+ HG
+ 1 Giant`s Blood
OK, let's imagine that all your assets are in place and everything go smoothly :
you've got your HG in place, 2 vessels and also guardian angel :
Bum's rush on Arika which is frehsly influenced and you don't want your prey to play a FAT villein (otherwise you will have to bleed 8 more times).
Before range you play pack alpha + raptor (2 blood)
Then, you've got to choose : either (1) you play your Body Flare (2 blood) or (2) you strike for 3.
case (1) Arika is in torpor with 10 blood
case (2) Arika is ready with 8 blood and you don't have anything to press, additional or whatever
Both (1) and (2) or bad choices IMO
Case (1) you would have paid 2 blood but now you HAVE to diablerize Arika (or it would have all been for nothing) and so, either Matasuntha go (and you better pray the table will want a lunatic with Matasuntha power on the table) either a young boy go and nobody will be afraid to block.
Case (2) you have spent a rush action to hit Arika for 3...
Let's say you didn't have the choice because you didn't draw 1 of your 3/90 copies of body flare
And then, you pay a FD (1 blood) in order to be able to do another thing let's say another rush on Arika and another raptor (2 blood) so you have paid 5 bloods (so half your capacity) in 2 actions in order to have dealt 6 normal damages without torporizing anyone and having 2 raptor which for now are just expensive raven spy who help your opponents to cycle. So next turn you will be able to pay 2 pools in order to have 8 blood.
Now, let's look at what could have gone wrong :
- you don't have 1 of your 3/90 untap blood gains
- you don't have 1 of your 2/90 Guardian Angel so your 2 combats cost you 2 additional damages = 2 bloods lost (flesh of marble will not save you).
- Arika play 1 random

- Jake Washington/Carlton/anyone blocks
Without all those consideration, let's do some math :
A game of VTES is about 12 turns I think imagine that of your 3 untap blood gain (vessels and HG), you draw them 1 in the first third, the second in the second third and so on :
the first will roughly gain you 10 bloods along the game, the second 6 bloods and the third 2 bloods = 18 bloods (costing you with the better scenario of the first being the HG : 2 + 1+6 + 1+2 = 12 pools)
I discard GB as a blood gain because it is a coin flip if YOU will be able to gain something with it.
Now imagine you are able to gain about 2/3 of the max capabilities of you 5 taste 2/3*5*3 = 10 bloods
Total blood gain = 18 + 10 = 28 bloods
And now, let's have a look at the cost of your cards :
ritual chalenge (1) + shadow of the beast (1) + pulse of the canaille (3) = 5 bloods
15 freak drive (1) = 15 bloods
3 body flares (2) = 6 bloods
7 raptors (2) = 14 bloods (you will not play the last 2 raptors obviously...
Total cost of 5 + 15 + 6 + 14 = 40 bloods
and you WANT to fight and to fight at close range and your only prevents are 2 guardian angel and 4 rollings so you will take damages (flesh doesn't prevent the hitback from the embrace)
and you play homunculus which has a huge additional blood cost
So yes, you've got 2 vessels, 5 taste ang a giant's blood and I don't know Brazilian meta but yeah, I really think you will not be able to pay for more than 3 raptors without being bloodless...
Last edit: 09 Oct 2014 06:20 by Timo.
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