Grp5+6 baali political deck

Okay, the reason to try and do it with Baali and not ventrue for me, should be

1: the mage allies
2: Unleash Hells Fury
3 a: He may steal an ally controlled by another Methuselah as a action.
3 b: she may burn 1 blood to force a vampire to abstain
3 c: He may burn a location or steal an equipment as a action.
and as an outside
3 d: strike: 2R aggravated damage as a strike that costs 1 blood. If it successfully bleeds, you gain 2 pool.
4: Reckless aggitation

I really like the abilitys from the new Baalis, and they come up with answeres to a lot of problems you would usually face duing a tournement, without you needing to comit card in your libary to do it.

The deck im playing right now have 2 The Unnamed and 1 basic + 1 adv. nergal in it. The Nergals are gonna go, the Unnamed of, dosent have any votes (unless Xeper is out) but I really like him still.

Iv looked at Scout Young Wood as a replacment for Nergal but are proberly gonna try Dmitra Ilyanova and then putting one or two copies of Textbook Damnation, The into the deck. I really like Dmitras ability and would be able to throw in a few more voter cap I can always cycle.

About the combat defence I havent really any, I proberly tend to really focus on being aggressiv and then not take that into account, the Nergal deck I played last year at the EC proberly a statement to this: groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_thread/thread/66f0c5ca322de232?pli=1 (the Nergal deck)

Im going with quite a few Reckless Agitation and Public Trust cards, combined with Cavalier wich means I can multiact without Freak Drives (but it is really blood costing to do in the long run.)

Ill see if I can get a deck list together and post tommorrow.

I played a mix with the Baalis and Scout on one side, and Dmitra/Karen/Graham on the ther. Parity Shift AND Reckless

d: was as much "gain two pool if it sucssefull bleed" with Public trust, thats 3 pool gain pr. bleed action, and the 2 R agg is really a stron defensiv ability imho

Well ye, sure Unnamed is a pretty good vampire

However, it is also a 10-cap with no title, no inherent +bleed and neither a bounce discipline nor an untap discipline. That's a LOT of "things big vampires need to have to be playable" that Unnamed doesn't have. Oh and she costs a pool to untap.

Also, your "bleed for 3 and gain 3 pool" is, when you account for the cost to untap a "bleed for 3 and gain 2 pool". Let's also not forget that Legal Manipulations and Public Trust both cost a blood (which could be argued is also a pool). Compare her now to Jackie bleeding for 4 and gaining a pool with 2 cards. That's +1 bleed and -1 pool. Jackie's a 3-cap.

I mean, it's NICE, sure, but it´s far from tier1. IMO, you really have to completely dedicate your deck around The Unnamed to make it work. I'm talking Homonculus/Enkil Cog or even Homonculus/Clan Impersonation/Madness Network here. As an example, I played this one for a while and it did reasonably ok against common archtypes:



For the Mages, the same is true; you have to make a deck around it. I have a pretty cool deck with tons of Maureen, Infernal Servitors and Greater Curses that uses all the new toys from HttB. Maureen comes with as a side-bonus too. Extrala featured it on his blog last year. The thing is, all these cool tricks (except Maybe Unleash, but that is unique) have no place in a vote deck and thus shouldn´t be a reason to play Baali vote.

If you´d ask me, reasons to play Baali vote are
a) Because it's cool
b) Because it's different
c) Because, sure, the Annazir/Xeper/Arishat crypt is damn solid
d) Because you can get votes through without votepush
e) Because they can use Reckless Agitation

There are probably tons more reasons to build a Baali vote deck. Being better than Lucinde/Marcus Vites Parity Shift is not one of them, because frankly, it isn't.

From my experience, if you're going to make a competitive Baali g5-6 vote deck, it is very doable but that deck has to be very focused, which makes it very boring to play (in casual games). There are no room nor time for anything else that isn't either gaining pool via influencing another vamp (Flock, Enchant) or gaining pool via damaging your prey (KRC+voter). IIRC, the only non-boring card I had in a deck was Kaymakli Fragment, and even that card is here to keep you alive.

My point-very efficient deck but I'll never again play it outside tournament...