New Card - Unstoppable Force
25 Nov 2011 22:04 - 25 Nov 2011 22:05 #16004
by DeathInABottle
Speedbump
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Discipline: Potence and Fortitude
Only usable after a combat between an acting vampire you control and a blocking minion; not usable by a vampire being burned or going into torpor.
Untap this vampire. Only one Speedbump at (inferior/superior) can be played by a vampire each turn.
If the blocking minion is not ready, the action continues as if unblocked at -2 stealth.
Replied by DeathInABottle on topic Re: New Card - Speedbump
Great idea. I don't know that you would need the "if you have inflicted more damage" qualifier, though, since you've already put the opposing vampire in torpor or killed the opposing ally. So:Much better than the original version for me since this one have in my opinion a significant cost, even if still undercosted.
A possible inferior / superior level :
[pot][for] If you have inflicted more damage than your opponent, untap this vampire. Only one Speedbump at (inferior/superior) can be played by a vampire each turn.
I have an hard time to say if it's more or less powerful than the "continue action" way. But the concept of an "inverted" freak drive seem useful.
Speedbump
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Discipline: Potence and Fortitude
Only usable after a combat between an acting vampire you control and a blocking minion; not usable by a vampire being burned or going into torpor.




Last edit: 25 Nov 2011 22:05 by DeathInABottle.
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26 Nov 2011 04:26 - 26 Nov 2011 04:27 #16006
by Juggernaut1981




Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418
Replied by Juggernaut1981 on topic Re: New Card - Speedbump
After a quick search...
There are few vampires that would use this card instead of:
a) just more stealth
- Nos/!Nos
- Gan
- Las
- BBs
- Rav
b) make sure you can't block the original action first
- Gio
- Las
- Ven/!Ven
c) might as well just use Freak Drive
- Gar
- BBs
- Ven/!Ven
So I can't see this card really benefitting any clan that actually needs a boost to their Bruise & Bash techniques.
The main Clans who need this kind of bump are the Brujahs & Osebos (to get them away from just Osebo Wall and No Secrets from Cesewayo).
So it seems that it should probably be a Celerity card with a cost to untap at inferior and a continue the action at double-superior. Maybe with a +1 stealth
outferior.
Speedbump
Action Modifier
1 blood
+1 stealth

Only usable after a combat between an acting vampire you control and a blocking minion; not usable by a vampire being burned or going into torpor. Untap this vampire. Only one Speedbump at (inferior/superior) can be played by a vampire each turn.

As 
above, and if the blocking minion is not ready the action continues as if unblocked.
There are few vampires that would use this card instead of:
a) just more stealth
- Nos/!Nos
- Gan
- Las
- BBs
- Rav
b) make sure you can't block the original action first
- Gio
- Las
- Ven/!Ven
c) might as well just use Freak Drive
- Gar
- BBs
- Ven/!Ven
So I can't see this card really benefitting any clan that actually needs a boost to their Bruise & Bash techniques.
The main Clans who need this kind of bump are the Brujahs & Osebos (to get them away from just Osebo Wall and No Secrets from Cesewayo).
So it seems that it should probably be a Celerity card with a cost to untap at inferior and a continue the action at double-superior. Maybe with a +1 stealth

Speedbump
Action Modifier

1 blood













Last edit: 26 Nov 2011 04:27 by Juggernaut1981.
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26 Nov 2011 05:06 #16007
by Wedge
Replied by Wedge on topic Re: New Card - Speedbump
It was intended to make sure your rush hit the right target. Other applications were just a bonus.
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26 Nov 2011 05:43 #16008
by Wedge
Replied by Wedge on topic Re: New Card - Unstoppable Force
Changes to the card
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26 Nov 2011 07:21 #16013
by Ohlmann
Since the new version does not cancel combat end, it's for me somewhat underpriced but not too scandalous.
Replied by Ohlmann on topic Re: New Card - Unstoppable Force
Changes to the card
Since the new version does not cancel combat end, it's for me somewhat underpriced but not too scandalous.
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26 Nov 2011 07:27 #16015
by Lech

Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.
Replied by Lech on topic Re: New Card - Unstoppable Force
Wow, and Form of Mist isn't underpriced for you ? It's both best combat defense (s:ce) and continue action. This require heavy conditions and isn't s:ce/dodge by itself.






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