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17 Dec 2012 07:32 #43022 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Puzzle: Bringing out an 11-cap on turn 1?

You can do it with Player 3 (or 4 or 5) if Players 1 and 2 are using Malkavian weenies + Malkavian Dementia + Reversal of Fortunes tricks to constantly take turns between them. Once you have enough minions you can call a bunch of Honor the Elders for Players 3, 4, and 5.

You'd probably want to start with Player 1 playing an Info Highway to influence out a 2 or 3-cap Malkavian. Player 2 then plays Malkavian Dementia and calls a Reversal of Fortunes. Etc. Then during Player 1's next turn, he calls another Reversal of Fortunes.

It's not exactly what I call "on the first turn" :)
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17 Dec 2012 08:29 #43026 by Ohlmann
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By the way, how Reversal of fortune interact with nb of transfert ? If the players go 1 - 2 - 5 - 1 - 2 - 3 via two Reversal, the number of transfer for the acting player stay at 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 4 ... (i.e. regardless of the player it increase by one), or does it do 1 - 2 - 1 - 4 - 1 - 2 - 3 (i.e. the player 1 have 1 transfer until every player have played) ?

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17 Dec 2012 08:40 - 17 Dec 2012 08:42 #43027 by Pascal Bertrand
Replied by Pascal Bertrand on topic Re: Puzzle: Bringing out an 11-cap on turn 1?
The first player gets 1.
The second player gets 2.
The third player (who could've been the first player if player #2 isn't smart) gets 3.
Afterwards, everyone gets 4.

So, in the unlikely event of player 1 playing Malkavian and bringing out someone on turn 1, and player 2 playing Malkavian Dementia, and then calling Reversal of Fortunes (*), player 1 would get 1 transfer (on turn 1) and 3 transfers (on the reversed turn).
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17 Dec 2012 08:44 #43028 by Pascal Bertrand
Replied by Pascal Bertrand on topic Re: Puzzle: Bringing out an 11-cap on turn 1?

Cool idea, but unfortunately it doesn't work because House of Sorrow can only target cards you control.

House of Sorrow
1 pool
Master: unique location.
Tap to untap any card you control that is not a minion. If you do so, neither that card nor this location untap as normal on your next untap phase

It also doesn't work because Parthenon uses the "during X, do Y" pattern.

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17 Dec 2012 08:46 #43029 by D-dennis
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Player 1: Master: House of Sorrow. Pass turn.

Player 2: Master: Parthenon.


House of Sorrow can untap the Parthenon, but you cannot use that Parthenon again in the same turn.
'Tap during your master phase to get an additional master phase action.'
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17 Dec 2012 12:11 #43041 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Puzzle: Bringing out an 11-cap on turn 1?
Player 3 can bring out a 11 cap with a lot of help of the other Methuselah.

Player 1 plays Powerbase: Montreal and influence out Brazil.
Player 2 plays Malkavian Dementia on Brazil and calls a Rumors of Gehenna with him, targeting player 3.
Player 3 plays 2 Zillah's Valley and use 3 transfer to bring out a 11-cap.
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