file Modern and legacy as formats

27 Nov 2021 15:05 #104026 by GiftsUngiven
>Low total number of cards is definitely not the only thing required to have good growing community

Of course not. VTES also needs store exposure and Princes willing to do some First Blood sessions to draw new players to the game. An organized play program, be it official or informal, would also help foster player attendance.

>artificially limiting card pool in addition to its benefits also have several drawbacks affecting entire community (including newbie players).

Such as? I can only see advantages to new players (fewer cards to memorize, fewer decks to know how to play against, a much smaller card pool to let them build their own decks in safety). How does a new format that's aimed only at a potential new part of the VTES community would affect its entirety?

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27 Nov 2021 15:50 #104027 by smeeag
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>Such as?
- Some experienced players will not play "limited" (for their own reasons, doesn't even matter why - such significant change will anyway split existing playerbase).
- Archetypes variety will significantly reduce, some archetypes dissapear completely. It makes learning easier, but the game (arguably) less interesting.
- Good (not only best) archetypes will much more often face vampire contest (good luck explaining newbie it's "fun" when they lose two-three turns and start the game with disastering handicap just because of bad luck).

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27 Nov 2021 15:54 #104028 by GiftsUngiven
But this format would not be for experienced players. Why are we talking about experienced players playing an entry-level format when they have a much better established format to play?

I'd remove vampire contesting from the V5 format.

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28 Nov 2021 07:12 #104032 by Lönkka
You don't need any "official" format to run leagues and whathaveyou. Only tournaments. Naturally having such format around and explained somewhere in the official resources makes them a bit more valid. But what someone among powers that be decide what is good for such format will not fully match your vision.

Therefore when you run a local newbie friendly event/league/game etc you sure can implement whatever rules you as the organizer see fir. Discussing with/polling the target players beforehand is vital.

You can run First Blood only games, have contesting removed, play a Dark Ages game with no card containing "modern stuff" allowed etc etc


Not limiting the tournament to newbies will mean that some unscrupulous experienced players will also attend and most likely wreck absolute havock among the newer players, so that much for being newbie friendly tournament... :/

Start running local games the way YOU and your newbie players feel would be most suited for YOU. Don't be afraid to tweak the rules a bit as you go to find the optimal version for you. When you feel that you've hit the right spot, tell the rest of us here what you've come up with!

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29 Nov 2021 08:19 #104037 by Timo
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How is your experience with new players during those weekly sessions? Do you see interest in VTES picking up in Paris?


Slowly but yes.

And since the translation launched, we see some interest arise from basically every part of France.

We have some praxis who rise again from torpor and some few who are just new playgroups.

The more rapidly growing is one formed by the owner of a gaming Café in Toulon !

And about a "limited format", the event we did in France was translated cards only, no contest rule and that's about it. There was 13 players attending it and the players involved seems to be hyped.

It was of course non-sanctioned.

And what I was saying in my latest post is that such a format could be made "official" with the same rules for everyone wanting to hold one and to give idea to those who didn't thought about it but think it useful for their community.

And it could have a specific ranking like the flawed one we have for "normal" tournaments.

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29 Nov 2021 08:41 #104038 by Lönkka
I think official tournament format "translated cards only" would be a great addition to the tournament formats.

And very easy to understand/limit what is allowed.

Of course would be beneficial to couple of large language groups only, but still...


Hmmm, another tournament version would be "BCP cards only" (which would include the cards available through print on demand in addition to the BCP printed cards). Probably could be called Limited, but "BCP only" would be more informative.

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