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03 Jul 2025 11:18 - 03 Jul 2025 11:31 #114833
by Bloodartist
That's not true, as per above excerpt from the rulebook. An action is successful or unsuccessful only after the block or the action itself has been resolved (successfully), or some card says otherwise before resolution. It has nothing to do with "blocking attempt". Rules are rules. There is no "default state" defined anywhere. This is literally how canceling actions used to work, before the term "cancel" was introduced. NRA rule didnt apply unless the action reached resolution. Now that we end actions, it still needs to be defined whether they end successfully or unsuccessfully.
Since change of target is played before block resolution, there is no "default state" since such is not defined in the rules. If the action is to end unsuccessfully, the card should state so. Whether it ends successfully or unsuccessfully is crucial information for a great variety of different cards and abilities.
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Replied by Bloodartist on topic Use of parentheses in non-reminder text is sometimes incorrect
Sure, but the block resolution has nothing to do with the status (successful or unsuccessful) of the action.
That's not true, as per above excerpt from the rulebook. An action is successful or unsuccessful only after the block or the action itself has been resolved (successfully), or some card says otherwise before resolution. It has nothing to do with "blocking attempt". Rules are rules. There is no "default state" defined anywhere. This is literally how canceling actions used to work, before the term "cancel" was introduced. NRA rule didnt apply unless the action reached resolution. Now that we end actions, it still needs to be defined whether they end successfully or unsuccessfully.
Since change of target is played before block resolution, there is no "default state" since such is not defined in the rules. If the action is to end unsuccessfully, the card should state so. Whether it ends successfully or unsuccessfully is crucial information for a great variety of different cards and abilities.
A heretic is a man who sees with his own eyes.
—Gotthold Ephraim Lessing
Last edit: 03 Jul 2025 11:31 by Bloodartist.
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04 Jul 2025 11:57 #114841
by Oracle.kid
Just to be sure I understand this correctly: When an action is blocked, its success is determined after the block combat?
(Which would make sense to me, especially looking at Form of Mist)
Replied by Oracle.kid on topic Use of parentheses in non-reminder text is sometimes incorrect
No. The action being blocked leads to the resolution of the block.
Change of Target: since the action was blocked, it is unsuccessful by definition.
Action would be unsuccessful if the block is resolved
Just to be sure I understand this correctly: When an action is blocked, its success is determined after the block combat?
(Which would make sense to me, especially looking at Form of Mist)
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04 Jul 2025 11:59 #114842
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Use of parentheses in non-reminder text is sometimes incorrect
No, before.
No. The action being blocked leads to the resolution of the block.
Change of Target: since the action was blocked, it is unsuccessful by definition.
Action would be unsuccessful if the block is resolved
Just to be sure I understand this correctly: When an action is blocked, its success is determined after the block combat?
(Which would make sense to me, especially looking at Form of Mist)
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