Honest Idea for fixing overly strong master cards!

Cyrus wrote:

How often does it actually win?

I've never played at a table where a Girls deck won.
I've played against it less than a dozen times though.

Cyrus wrote:

The point I was trying to make is to move beyond the anecdotes. How often does it actually win?

What about it? The point is how the master bloat and these ++MPA decks change the game. Can you oust a deck that bloats for 10-20 in a master phase with some reasonable toolbox deck? Or an ordinary non-parity shift vote deck? How about wall decks? C'mon.

The problem with masters is that they are non-interactive save for the few master cancels that won't help against the +MPA decks anyway.

Whatever, I too can play stealth bleed, the most tired, boring deck in the game.

Cyrus wrote:

I took a look at Daclau, and she's featured in 14 girls decks in 2010 and 2011, compared to 11 decks with Isabel Giovanni.

Ye, Isabel is a good plan against MMPA

elotar wrote:

Ye, Isabel is a good plan against MMPA

In case you missed my point: maybe the sky isn't falling?

Cyrus wrote:

elotar wrote:

Ye, Isabel is a good plan against MMPA

In case you missed my point: maybe the sky isn't falling?

Nothing is falling, we just got boring games and disappointed players.

Correction - you got it, we don't have enough villeins here.

Cyrus wrote:

Wouldn't a better way to go about this be to first look at whether Girls and similar decks are a problem to competitive and/or casual play?

How often does the deck show up at tournaments?
When it shows up, how often does it win?

If the deck (and similar decks) got a much higher win ratio than other decks, then maybe we could look into why it wins, but trying to figure out the solution before figuring out the problem seems a little silly to me.

We know what the problem is if it exists. In a year or so we should have enough data to know if the problem exists. In the meanwhile, I am content with discussing V:TES theory.