Dual Form question

Juggernaut1981 wrote:

I didn't say that editing the card is vital (frankly I can't give much of a damn) BUT if you are going to say that either Dual Form needs a change or "Sterile" needs a change I'd advocate you change the card and leave the rule alone (since its the only time a problem with the Sterile Rule has come up).

There's no actual problem as the rule is very simple - a vampire gets put in play, so a sterile vampire can't do it.

From the "real world" WoD point of view, this isn't the only problem with sterility.

- A sterile vampire can't take the final action that summons the Great Beast (either the final "move a counter" action if there is one, or the initial play of the card if the vampire is an 11+ cap). In WoD terms, this is a summoning ritual, not an embrace.

- A sterile vampire can't play Chain of Command (because it puts vampires in play). In WoD terms, you're dominating younger vampires (hence the Dominate), not embracing them.

- Sterile Ahrimanes vampires can play Blood Bond. Their oWoD weakness involves not being able to embrace new vampires or create Blood Bonds.

Just checking...

If one of the "Dual Formed" leave the ready region the other burns... that includes banishment, remove from game or other similar effects... Right?

wesile wrote:

If one of the "Dual Formed" leave the ready region the other burns... that includes banishment, remove from game or other similar effects... Right?

If you're no long in the ready region, you've left the ready region, triggering Dual Form's text. There are explicit rulings including:

- going to torpor
- being burned (often because people chained Dual Form's together, and you get a domino effect of vampires being burned, triggering the next Dual Form)
- Banishment
- Social Ladder (remove from the game)

There are threads discussing leaving play via Descent into Darkness or Reality, where no-one is told that doesn't work. (Which seems reasonable.)

I can't find an explicit ruling discussing what happens if the unique vampire is contested, but since a contested vampire is no longer in the ready region, that should trigger it too.