Two questions that recently came up
28 Jun 2018 20:35 - 29 Jun 2018 07:04 #88445
by Ankha
Now, if we consider an effect such as "When the Anarch Convert would enter play, you can remove it from the game instead", then the Anarch Convert never enters play, and "after X enters play" effects don't trigger.
Please see www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/76594-lost-kindred-faq#86769 for timings.
Replied by Ankha on topic Two questions that recently came up
Indeed.Also, I have to remind you that changing "When this minion enters play" to "Instead of playing this minions" would change other effects that trigger "after a minion enters play", for instance, Hackerspace.
No, "after" (that is immediately after, with other "after" effects).Now, if we were to set "As" as the wording to go here, we have to answer two questions:
1º Do "After X happens" resolves at the same time that "As X happens"?
No, there is no contradiction in that case: both effects happen (even if the Anarch Convert is no longer there).2º Do "After X happens" resolves even if a "As X happens" changed X status, making it contradict the "After X happens"?
Now, if we consider an effect such as "When the Anarch Convert would enter play, you can remove it from the game instead", then the Anarch Convert never enters play, and "after X enters play" effects don't trigger.
Please see www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/76594-lost-kindred-faq#86769 for timings.
Last edit: 29 Jun 2018 07:04 by Ankha.
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28 Jun 2018 22:39 #88451
by Ratadin
Replied by Ratadin on topic Two questions that recently came up
Aaaah, that's what I was getting wrong.
I understood "As X happen, do Y" as "When X happen, do Y", which explain my understanding of the effect denying the "After" trigger.
Great then. A flowchart for the future rulebook would be awesome to pinpoint these conflicts instantly (one going along the lines of the FAQ you just shared, for instance).
I understood "As X happen, do Y" as "When X happen, do Y", which explain my understanding of the effect denying the "After" trigger.
Great then. A flowchart for the future rulebook would be awesome to pinpoint these conflicts instantly (one going along the lines of the FAQ you just shared, for instance).
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29 Jun 2018 07:03 #88453
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Two questions that recently came up
The difference is not in the usage of "as" or "when", but rather if "would ... instead" is used or not.Aaaah, that's what I was getting wrong.
I understood "As X happen, do Y" as "When X happen, do Y", which explain my understanding of the effect denying the "After" trigger.
Great then. A flowchart for the future rulebook would be awesome to pinpoint these conflicts instantly (one going along the lines of the FAQ you just shared, for instance).
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