eluding the arms of morpheus - AFTER block declare
20 Sep 2021 22:21 #103211
by gotcha
eluding the arms of morpheus - AFTER block declare was created by gotcha
vamp A acts, vampire B plays eyes of argus and intercept card, declaring attempt to block.
no more modifiers are played and vamp A says blocked. Can vamp B still play eluding?
To me this is obvious but Miller failed to see my point. Can someone explain this game technical - impulse -wise to us?
Thanks
no more modifiers are played and vamp A says blocked. Can vamp B still play eluding?
To me this is obvious but Miller failed to see my point. Can someone explain this game technical - impulse -wise to us?
Thanks
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21 Sep 2021 07:46 - 21 Sep 2021 07:49 #103216
by Bloodartist
I believe the answer is no.. Basically in any specific timing window in the game, the acting player plays their cards; then defending player gets to play their cards; then the other players get to play their cards in clockwise order. The cycle restarts only if acting player plays a card.
So because player A didn't play cards and instead declared that they were blocked, I believe defending player doesn't get to play any more cards in that timing window, and instead you move to resolving blocks.
Eluding has to be played prior to a successful block, because it forces you to attempt to block. In this game you cannot attempt something you are unable to do. You can play eluding only if a blocking opportunity exists.
I struggle to find a good explanation to this from the BCP rulebook however... its handling of timing windows is haphazard at best.
A heretic is a man who sees with his own eyes.
—Gotthold Ephraim Lessing
Replied by Bloodartist on topic eluding the arms of morpheus - AFTER block declare
vamp A acts, vampire B plays eyes of argus and intercept card, declaring attempt to block.
no more modifiers are played and vamp A says blocked. Can vamp B still play eluding?
To me this is obvious but Miller failed to see my point. Can someone explain this game technical - impulse -wise to us?
Thanks
I believe the answer is no.. Basically in any specific timing window in the game, the acting player plays their cards; then defending player gets to play their cards; then the other players get to play their cards in clockwise order. The cycle restarts only if acting player plays a card.
So because player A didn't play cards and instead declared that they were blocked, I believe defending player doesn't get to play any more cards in that timing window, and instead you move to resolving blocks.
Eluding has to be played prior to a successful block, because it forces you to attempt to block. In this game you cannot attempt something you are unable to do. You can play eluding only if a blocking opportunity exists.
I struggle to find a good explanation to this from the BCP rulebook however... its handling of timing windows is haphazard at best.
A heretic is a man who sees with his own eyes.
—Gotthold Ephraim Lessing
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21 Sep 2021 08:03 #103218
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Exactly how I thought of it ... thanks - )
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21 Sep 2021 08:54 #103221
by Legion
- Player B plays eyes of argus and intercept card and pass the impulse to A.
- Player A pass.
as both players passed the action moves to the next step. Action is blocked. Action resolves unsuccessfully -> resolve the block.
There is no window to play eluding the arms of morpheus.
Replied by Legion on topic eluding the arms of morpheus - AFTER block declare
Player A play all cards he wants and pass the impulse to player B.vamp A acts, vampire B plays eyes of argus and intercept card, declaring attempt to block.
no more modifiers are played and vamp A says blocked. Can vamp B still play eluding?
To me this is obvious but Miller failed to see my point. Can someone explain this game technical - impulse -wise to us?
- Player B plays eyes of argus and intercept card and pass the impulse to A.
- Player A pass.
as both players passed the action moves to the next step. Action is blocked. Action resolves unsuccessfully -> resolve the block.
There is no window to play eluding the arms of morpheus.
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21 Sep 2021 10:37 #103231
by Ankha
So after A has declined to play more cards, B has the impulse and can play Eluding the Arms of Morpheus with the blocking vampire. The impulse then goes back to A.
See also the other topic www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/76321-can-a-vampire-use-multiple-attempt-to-block-effects?start=24#103230
Replied by Ankha on topic eluding the arms of morpheus - AFTER block declare
No. The block resolves once all players have passed the impulse (including A and B). After all, C could lock a Monastery of Shadows to give A more stealth. Or D could play a Draba.
vamp A acts, vampire B plays eyes of argus and intercept card, declaring attempt to block.
no more modifiers are played and vamp A says blocked. Can vamp B still play eluding?
I believe the answer is no..
So because player A didn't play cards and instead declared that they were blocked, I believe defending player doesn't get to play any more cards in that timing window, and instead you move to resolving blocks.
So after A has declined to play more cards, B has the impulse and can play Eluding the Arms of Morpheus with the blocking vampire. The impulse then goes back to A.
A minion who is attempting to block can attempt to block "more".Eluding has to be played prior to a successful block, because it forces you to attempt to block. In this game you cannot attempt something you are unable to do. You can play eluding only if a blocking opportunity exists.
See also the other topic www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/76321-can-a-vampire-use-multiple-attempt-to-block-effects?start=24#103230
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21 Sep 2021 23:27 - 21 Sep 2021 23:28 #103247
by Bloodartist
I was under impression from the topic post, that player B had already passed impulse, player A had declared block successful, and then player B tried to play eluding.
A heretic is a man who sees with his own eyes.
—Gotthold Ephraim Lessing
Replied by Bloodartist on topic eluding the arms of morpheus - AFTER block declare
No. The block resolves once all players have passed the impulse (including A and B). After all, C could lock a Monastery of Shadows to give A more stealth. Or D could play a Draba.
I was under impression from the topic post, that player B had already passed impulse, player A had declared block successful, and then player B tried to play eluding.
no more modifiers are played and vamp A says blocked. Can vamp B still play eluding?
A heretic is a man who sees with his own eyes.
—Gotthold Ephraim Lessing
Last edit: 21 Sep 2021 23:28 by Bloodartist.
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