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22 Sep 2021 06:24 #103251 by Ankha
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I was under impression from the topic post, that player B had already passed impulse, player A had declared block successful, and then player B tried to play eluding. 


"no more modifiers are played" => that means A passes the impulse. But B has not yet. And B wants to play Eluding, which is legal.
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22 Sep 2021 07:05 #103252 by Bloodartist
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Im not disagreeing with the ruling but...

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vamp A says blocked


They can't say blocked unless B has passed the impulse.
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22 Sep 2021 07:36 #103255 by Yomyael
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The thing is... vamp A is not the one to say "blocked".

What happens is as follows: Vamp A plays cards then passes impulse. Vamp B plays a wake. Impulse goes back to A, who passes again. B plays intercept. Impulse goes back to A. This is the point, where people usually say "blocked". However, what has to happen is that A passes the impulse again, and then B has to pass. Only at that point the action is actually blocked, and no more cards can be played.

So actually, there is no way for A to prevent B from playing another card by saying "blocked" - doing so is not an action defined in the rulebook with any meaning. Both players have to agree on this, if B wants to play a card they can still do so if A has decided not to do it.
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22 Sep 2021 09:31 - 22 Sep 2021 09:34 #103257 by Bloodartist
Replied by Bloodartist on topic eluding the arms of morpheus - AFTER block declare

The thing is... vamp A is not the one to say "blocked".

So actually, there is no way for A to prevent B from playing another card by saying "blocked" - doing so is not an action defined in the rulebook with any meaning. Both players have to agree on this, if B wants to play a card they can still do so if A has decided not to do it.


Actually, they are. They do that by saying they won't play any more stealth and they are blocked. Yes, player B can play any amount of cards in a row, but then they must pass impulse. Then player A says they wont play any more cards and they are blocked. After that the action resolves unsuccesfully and block must be resolved. This must happen with every action... 

Sure, player A can't interject player B by crying "wait! Im blocked! You cant play any more cards!" But I wasnt talking about that. In every successful block player B must pass impulse and player A says they are blocked (or they continue playing stealth/blockfail). Its the choice of player A whether they play more stealth. 

I simply interpreted the topic post saying "Player A says blocked" as player B having passed impulse. 
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22 Sep 2021 11:43 #103260 by Yomyael
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From the rulebook:

Note that if any Methuselah uses a card or effect, the acting Methuselah again gets the opportunity to use the next card or effect.

No, player B cannot play any amount of cards. After each single card, opportunity to play a card passes back to player A. Always. So at the point when there is enough intercept played and player A usually says "blocked", player B has not passed.
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22 Sep 2021 12:45 - 22 Sep 2021 12:48 #103265 by Ankha
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The thing is... vamp A is not the one to say "blocked".

So actually, there is no way for A to prevent B from playing another card by saying "blocked" - doing so is not an action defined in the rulebook with any meaning. Both players have to agree on this, if B wants to play a card they can still do so if A has decided not to do it.


Actually, they are. They do that by saying they won't play any more stealth and they are blocked. Yes, player B can play any amount of cards in a row, but then they must pass impulse.

Incorrect, as Yomyael pointed out.

Then player A says they wont play any more cards

They can do that.

and they are blocked.

This is however not true. C could for instance give stealth by using a Monastery of Shadows.

Usually, when the acting Methuselah says "I'm blocked", they really mean "I don't play other cards".
Usually, it results in the acting minion being blocked, but it's shortcut that can be invalid.

In every successful block player B must pass impulse and player A says they are blocked (or they continue playing stealth/blockfail). Its the choice of player A whether they play more stealth. 

Not only A's choice. Other players can play cards.

I simply interpreted the topic post saying "Player A says blocked" as player B having passed impulse. 

It wouldn't make sense that B passes the impulse instead of playing the card the question is about. It's not as if B says "I'm blocked" and "oh wait I want to play a card".

Anyway, the answer is clear: B can play Eluding after A has declined to play any more effects.
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