Charming Lobby + a political action card (KRC)

inm8 wrote:

Questions:
1) Is Charming Lobby played to call the referendum and Kine Resources Contested is only played to provide a referendum as Charming Lobby doesnt have one on its own?
2) Is Kine Resources Contested played to call and provide the referendum and Charming Lobby is only played for it other effects?
3) Are both Charming Lobby and Kine Resources Contested played to call the referendum as Charming Lobby is a political action but doesn´t have a referendum on its own?

inm8 wrote:

4) Is Kine Resources Contested "used to call the referendum" and therefore provides the 1 vote from it?

inm8 wrote:

5) Is Charming Lobby a political action card or is it an action card enabling a political action?

inm8 wrote:

6) If Charming Lobby is canceled as played (e.g. Direct Intervention) is Kine Resources Contested put in the ash heap?

inm8 wrote:

7) If Charming Lobby is blocked is Kine Resources Contested put in the ash heap?

inm8 wrote:

8) Does requirements and costs need to be met of the political action card in hand or the effect in play to be useable/playable by Charming Lobby?

inm8 wrote:

My question though is if the PA card is actually played to call the referendum which based on your answer (in my opinion) contradicts the rule below because the PA card isn't played for the political action itself which is what is used to call the referendum..
If it isn´t a contradiction could you please explain why not?

Rulebook:
A political action is an action that is used to call a referendum.

inm8 wrote:

Furthermore found these two rulings saying that the referendum is Charming Lobby´s effect and that the Charming Lobby action calls the referendum on a PA card in your hand.

Are you reversing the above 2 rulings? Or am I misunderstanding and they and your ruling can coexist?

inm8 wrote:

About Delaying Tactics:

Its text was changed from

The controller of the acting vampire takes the political action card (if any) back into his or her hand (and discards down to his or her hand size), and his or her vampires cannot attempt the same political action this turn.

which didn´t require the PA card to be played to call the referendum

to

If a political action card was played to call this referendum, return it to its owner's hand (discard down afterward).

which (in my opinion) now only enables a PA card played to call the referendum (i.e. only a PA card played normally) to be returned to its owner's hand

inm8 wrote:

There is an inconsistency in that Delaying Tactics enables the return of a card that wasn´t played in a normal fashion when referring to a "played" card while at the same time having a ruling on Epikasta that says she isn´t allowed to return cards played in a non-normal fashion, where the ruling also clarifies it is applicable to the PA card played with Charming Lobby.

inm8 wrote:

Ankha wrote:

inm8 wrote:

4) Is Kine Resources Contested "used to call the referendum" and therefore provides the 1 vote from it?

Yes.

This should fall in under the same as above, used to call a referendum required the PA card to be used for taking the political action which it isn´t, Charming Lobby is the political action being taken that is used to call a referendum and per the rule, it shouldn't provide the vote in that case.

inm8 wrote:

Here is a ruling to draw a parallel in that as the PA card doesn´t provide the inherent +1 stealth of the card to the action making the Charming Lobby action with a PA card still only be at +1 stealth total. If the stealth of the PA card isn't gained why would the vote be?

inm8 wrote:

Another similar case where the vote isn´t gained is when playing Bujo where the only difference is that the PA card is in the ash heap and card text doesn´t explicitly say "(play the card)" but at the same time requirements of that political action must be met as if it was played.