Charming Lobby + a political action card (KRC)

Thanks for your answers and for taking the time to read through the post Ankha.

My confusion comes from me making a distinction between "a card being played" vs "a card being played to X" (similar to the distinction made between "lock the minion" vs "lock the minion to X) where also X is defined to be triggered by the action itself and not a combination of cards being played which has been ruled to be the case invalidating the distinction for "played" cards.

Ankha wrote:

CL doesn't provide a vote since it's not a PA card.

Charming lobby IS a political action, since it directly states it in its own cardtext.
As I see it, I think the design intent is that CL is a political action that's referendum you can replace with another cards referendum text.

In my opinion it is charming lobby that is returned to hand, since it is a political action card that is used to call the referendum, thus satisfying all the criteria of DT. The other PA card would go to ash heap.

Note that it is NOT the PA card in hand that is used to call the referendum. Because of this I believe CL should be returned to hand, or, if for some weirdo alternate universe reason CL is not interpreted to be a political action card, then nothing is returned to hand. But under no circumstances should the referred PA card be returned to hand, since it is not the one being used to call the referendum, as DT requires.

Ankha wrote:

inm8 wrote:

5) Is Charming Lobby a political action card or is it an action card enabling a political action?

The latter.
"political action cards" are identified with the political action icon.

Card text

Golden rule.

Bloodartist wrote:

Ankha wrote:

inm8 wrote:

5) Is Charming Lobby a political action card or is it an action card enabling a political action?

The latter.
"political action cards" are identified with the political action icon.

Card text

Golden rule.

You still seem to not see the difference between political action card (the one with an appropriate icon) and political action - something executed from CL, political action card or, say, Black Forest Base or Dmitra ability etc. Ankha explained it in this topic quite well.

Bloodartist wrote:

Charming lobby IS a political action, since it directly states it in its own cardtext.
As I see it, I think the design intent is that CL is a political action that's referendum you can replace with another cards referendum text.

In my opinion it is charming lobby that is returned to hand, since it is a political action card that is used to call the referendum, thus satisfying all the criteria of DT. The other PA card would go to ash heap.

Don´t know if this helps knowing you are already upset with me (which wasn´t at all my intent) about this topic

There are numerous rulings saying that the cards Charming Lobby and Bujo aren´t "political action cards" but merely action cards that allow a "political action" to be taken.

groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/enxwleC-ZKw/m/ppLrzdqH1ooJ
groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/9HtmVwBkGdE/m/YHEVLeB7Lj4J
groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/fDl3t2lJ3Pc/m/pdmWZOwllPMJ

Action cards are any cards with the icon i.e , , , etc.
where recruit action cards only are the ones with these icons
and political action cards are only the ones with these icos

Here is a link explaining that when there is a card type defined (and an icon) the text doesn´t overrule that (the icon being on the card just as the text).

I do agree that there is some inconsistency in the definition of card types that are not covered by the rules e.g. Drawing Out the Beast is a combat card but also considered a Frenzy card which isn't a defined type but referenced a lot by other cards.