file play multiple Jake Washingtons

15 Jun 2023 17:37 #108342 by yurian
Good day all,
Re Jake Washington and its "uniqueness", is it possible to have controlling player play a second copy of it? Since not a "regular ally", is a player allowed to play multiple copies of Jake Washington (using e.g. Parthenon), and have the previous copy/ies leave the game, as new one entre play?
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15 Jun 2023 17:43 #108343 by Ankha

Good day all,
Re Jake Washington and its "uniqueness", is it possible to have controlling player play a second copy of it? Since not a "regular ally", is a player allowed to play multiple copies of Jake Washington (using e.g. Parthenon), and have the previous copy/ies leave the game, as new one entre play?
Thank you

No, it doesn't matter if the card is an ally or something else. The moment the card is unique, you cannot play another copy of it.

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16 Jun 2023 11:09 #108356 by yurian
Understood. Thank you

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30 Jun 2023 08:56 #108503 by Draud
From the rules: (www.vekn.net/rulebook)
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Playing a Card

A card is played by announcing its effects, showing the card and placing it from the hand in the ash heap. Sometimes a card will state to put it into play, you should announce its effects and place the card in the play area.

ADVANCED RULES

Some effects can cancel a card “as it is played.” These effects, as well as wake effects, are the only effects allowed during the “as played” time period of another card. Even drawing to replace cards, comes after this time period.
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ADVANCED RULES

Contested Cards

Some of the cards in the game represent unique resources, such as specific locations, equipment, or people. These cards will be identified as “unique” in their card text. In addition, all crypt cards represent unique minions. If more than one unique card with the same name is brought into play, that means control of the card is being contested. For the duration of the contest, all of the contested cards are turned face down and are out of play. If another unique card with the same name is brought into play, it is immediately contested and turned face down as well.

The cost to contest a card is 1 pool, which you pay during each of your unlock phases. Instead of paying the cost to contest the card, you may choose to yield the card. A yielded card is burned. Any cards or counters stacked on the yielded card are also burned. If all other cards contesting your unique card are yielded, then the card is unlocked and turned face up during your next unlock phase, ending the contest.



DECK CONSTRUCTION

TIP: Be careful about putting duplicates of the same unique cards in your deck. You cannot control more than one of the same unique card at a time, and you cannot contest cards with yourself (if some effect would force you to contest a card with yourself, then you simply burn the incoming copy of the unique card). On the other hand, you may wish to have a second copy handy in case the first is burned.
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Player A has a Jake in play
Player B plays a Jake
As effect of bringing a unique card into play that's already in play, triggers the contested rules.

Is this correct? IF, and this is a big IF, this is correct then let's go to the "TIP" section:

Player A has Jake in play
Player B plays another jake (nowhere says you cannot bring into play a Unique card you already have by the rules above)
As effect of bringing a unique card into play that's already in play triggers the contested rules,

but wait,

you cannot contest cards with yourself

so here is where the second Jake is burned upon being brought into play...

but you still can play it



And of curse the control part in the TIP section is never going to happen because the second card is going to burn... whatever the case.

Plase rewritte the rules to make them more accurate and leave nothing to the implicit department.

I'm sorry for my english, it's not my first tongue and for sure I made a lots of mistakes.

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30 Jun 2023 10:28 #108504 by Ankha

Player A has a Jake in play
Player B plays a Jake
As effect of bringing a unique card into play that's already in play, triggers the contested rules.

Is this correct? IF, and this is a big IF, this is correct then let's go to the "TIP" section:

Yes, both Jakes are contested.

Player A has Jake in play
Player B plays another jake (nowhere says you cannot bring into play a Unique card you already have by the rules above)
As effect of bringing a unique card into play that's already in play triggers the contested rules,

but wait,

you cannot contest cards with yourself

so here is where the second Jake is burned upon being brought into play...

but you still can play it

I assume that A and B are already contesting Jake, and B would like to play another copy.
But this is not legal:
"If more than one unique card with the same name is brought into play, that means control of the card is being contested."
and "you cannot contest cards with yourself " forbid B from playing another copy of Jake, since B would be contesting with himself (in addition to A).

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30 Jun 2023 10:28 #108505 by inm8
Replied by inm8 on topic play multiple Jake Washingtons
You cannot play a card that leads to self contest because you are not allowed to self contest i.e. you are not allowed to do/play/trigger what you are not allowed to.

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