file Inscription and Hunger of Marduk

16 Aug 2023 11:33 - 21 Aug 2023 19:42 #109062 by Bloodartist
I do agree with inm8 in that LSJ ruling is contradictory to the card text.

The text says:
"The vampire with this equipment can burn this equipment to use the basic Blood Sorcery ability of that card."

It says "use" not "play". If requirements only apply when playing a card, then the requirements should not apply here. You are not playing the card from the inscription, you are using an ability on the card: inscription.

If the intent was different, inscription should say: "vampire with this equipment may play that card as if they had basic thaumaturgy blood sorcery".

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18 Aug 2023 08:59 #109079 by inm8
From the rulebook

Requirements for Playing Cards

Each library card has symbols on the attribute bar (the marble stripe on the left side) for the card type (except for master cards), the clan, or Discipline (if any) required to play the card, and the cost (if any) of playing that card.

Some cards will have other requirements (such as capacity or title) stated in the card text. Only a minion who meets the requirements given on a minion card can play it, whereas only a Methuselah who controls a ready minion who meets the requirements of a master card can play it.

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19 Aug 2023 22:19 #109106 by Hakuron

No. The only requirement that is obviated is Blood Sorcery.

See this LSJ ruling: groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/RQBw8EnnD5s/m/NpdTwIuChy8J

No reversal for now, this ruling stands.
We'll probably rewrite Inscription someday.

Would you mind to elaborate on the reasonings behind the decision resp. your comment?
It would be of great help (not only) to me.

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22 Aug 2023 07:01 #109122 by Ankha

No. The only requirement that is obviated is Blood Sorcery.

See this LSJ ruling: groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/RQBw8EnnD5s/m/NpdTwIuChy8J

No reversal for now, this ruling stands.
We'll probably rewrite Inscription someday.

Would you mind to elaborate on the reasonings behind the decision resp. your comment?
It would be of great help (not only) to me.

It's a global ruling about "using" a card vs "playing" a card.
groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/g7KzVg2xLwk/m/caVhAlgfnE8J

I'll try to remove that distinction that isn't very intuitive, but it requires more work than just changing one card.

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22 Aug 2023 10:09 #109124 by Hakuron
Thank you!

Follow-up questions:
Could nevertheless "Hunger of Marduk" be "inscriptioned" = put on a non-Banu Haqim, even though that vampire could not use it?
If yes, could only a Banu Haqim do so or any vampire with Blood Sorcery?

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22 Aug 2023 11:05 - 22 Aug 2023 11:06 #109125 by inm8
Yes, a non-Banu Haqim can put Hunger of Marduk on Inscription that is put on a non-Banu Haqim because Hunger of Marduk is not "played" but "put" on Inscription which means it doesn't check requirements (similar was ruled in the LSJ ruling regarding Diversion that requires an Anarch, the part that makes sense).
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