file High Orun and action costs

13 Jan 2024 16:40 #110338 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic High Orun and action costs

So, interesting question.

The cost of an action is 'set' during the declaration.
However High Orun modifies the cost of cards for the remainder of this action that require a discipline.

This seems to imply that High Orun would modify the cost for the already played action card, as the cost has not yet been paid and will be within the timing effect of the action.

So, can we get an official ruling on if govern the unaligned would resolve for 0 or 1 blood if a High Orun were played during the action?

It's basically cardtext. The cost of the action can change during the action. If the action resolves successfully, then you pay its final cost (you could use The Line to reduce it for instance).

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14 Jan 2024 20:16 #110348 by skychan
Replied by skychan on topic High Orun and action costs
Thank you.

The reason I asked is because of the word 'remainder'. This is an English word which typically excludes anything that happened before.

IE

I was going to school and after I stepped outside I gained the ability to fly for the remainder of the journey. This would imply that I could not fly before I stepped outside.

Thus with this card "for the remainder of the action" would by the English language imply not for anything that happened before this, such as the action card itself, any action modifier cards played that cost blood don't retroactively cost less, etc. That is why I'm grateful for the ruling that clarifies that because the cost is paid AFTER High Orun it fall's into the 'remainder' text rather than having the rulebook set the cost prior to this and that therefore this 7/7/07 ruling would apply in this case where it certainly does not retroactively return blood spent on action modifiers played before the High Orun was played during the action.

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14 Jan 2024 21:15 #110350 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic High Orun and action costs

Thank you.

The reason I asked is because of the word 'remainder'. This is an English word which typically excludes anything that happened before.

IE

I was going to school and after I stepped outside I gained the ability to fly for the remainder of the journey. This would imply that I could not fly before I stepped outside.

Thus with this card "for the remainder of the action" would by the English language imply not for anything that happened before this, such as the action card itself, any action modifier cards played that cost blood don't retroactively cost less, etc. That is why I'm grateful for the ruling that clarifies that because the cost is paid AFTER High Orun it fall's into the 'remainder' text rather than having the rulebook set the cost prior to this and that therefore this 7/7/07 ruling would apply in this case where it certainly does not retroactively return blood spent on action modifiers played before the High Orun was played during the action.


The cost of action cards is checked when you play the card (you must have enough blood/pool etc. to play it), and when you pay for it (upon successful resolution). That is why the action card cost -1 blood even though you played it before. (its costs changes from X to X-1)

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