High Orun and action costs

skychan wrote:

So, interesting question.

The cost of an action is 'set' during the declaration.
However High Orun modifies the cost of cards for the remainder of this action that require a discipline.

This seems to imply that High Orun would modify the cost for the already played action card, as the cost has not yet been paid and will be within the timing effect of the action.

So, can we get an official ruling on if govern the unaligned would resolve for 0 or 1 blood if a High Orun were played during the action?

Relevant Rules texts

1. Announce the Action
All details of the action are defined when the action is announced, including the target(s), the cost, the effects, and so on.

3. Resolve the Action
If the action is successful (all block attempts were unsuccessful), then the cost of the action is paid and the effects of the successful action take place

High Orun
For the remainder of this action, cards that require any Disciplines cost this Laibon 1 less blood, and your hand size is one card larger.

LSJ wrote:

LSJ Oct 3, 2009, 12:18:53 AM
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Rehlow wrote:
> On Oct 2, 2:22 pm, LSJ <> wrote:
>> Miguel Cortes wrote:
>>> - When played as an action modifier during an action that costs blood,
>>> does it reduce the action's cost, since it's payed when succesful
>>> (after High Orun played)?
>> Yes.
>>
>
> Really?

Yes.

Name: High Orun
[LoB:C]
Cardtype: Action Modifier/Reaction
Burn Option
Requires a Laibon with three or more Orun.
For the remainder of this action, cards that require any Disciplines cost this Laibon 1 less blood, and your hand size is one card larger.
Artist: Greg Boychuk

RTR wrote:

All cost-affecting cards operate no matter how the card is played ("as normal" or otherwise). All multiplication and division is handled first, followed by addition and subtraction.

skychan wrote:

I'm afraid that there absolutely IS a need to get this ruling listed somewhere that it can be located and treated as an official ruling. I could not find it in card rulings, and I could not find it on the vekn.net site in the forums.

Further nowhere on the vekn.net site references that, nor could I find it using general internet searchs, I did try. This ruling also isn't listed in VDB, though I admit that VDB at least is not an official source of recognized rules though it is often treated as such.

I also have not located any statement on the vekn.net website of where other rulings might have been made that are official, nor a list of what users using what sites should be considered as official.

I have been playing long enough to know that LSJ used to be official, but as the very thread you just pointed me to discusses how the ruling he made changed over time it is very difficult to accept that this game requires me to not only search non-vekn websites, know who posting on those sites historically could make official rulings, and finally know which of their rulings is the most current and up to date version given the changes made to gameplay and the rules in the greater than 25 years this game has existed.

Ankha wrote:

... BTW, all LSJ/Floppy rulings are valid, unless there's a more recent official ruling saying otherwise. ...