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Is envorinmental Damage, that is dealt during Strike resolution affected by rang
This seems to imply yes.2. Determine Range
Each round of combat is fought at either close
range or long range. Close range is the default
for each round. The range determines which
strikes and other strike resolution step effects
can be used. Some effects can only be used at
close range, some only at long range, and the
rest at either close or long range.
groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/FinHO99QB3k/m/HcVxu9N6D9IJHalcyan 2 wrote:
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> >> Thoughts Betrayed [DS, SW, FN]
> >> Do opposing minion takes 1 additional damage during strike resolution on
> >> inferior even if the combat is at long range?
> >
> >No.
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> I know that it follows the Wolf Companion text, but is there any particular
> reason why Thoughts Betrayed doesn't inflict damage at long? Similarly, would
> Drawing out the Beast inflict damage at long range?
As a strike resolution effect, it is affected by range (it functions similarly
to Retainer damage in that regard).
DotB's damage is not a "during strike resolution" effect.
LSJ confirming yes in 2002.
groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/MKJghrVVAMw/m/UCh2_EbE9AEJQuoting unofficial card text doesn't help, since then I still have to look up
the official text (and may actually hinder, depending on the degree of
difference from the official card text and whether or not I notice that the
quoted text is not official).
Name: Bestial Vengeance
Cardtype: Combat
Discipline: Animalism
Requires a Laibon.
[ani] Only usable before range is determined. Choose a retainer on this Laibon.
This combat, this Laibon is immune to frenzy cards and the opposing minion takes
1 damage during strike resolution if the retainer is ready. A vampire can play
only one Bestial Vengeance each combat.
[ANI] As above, but for 2 damage.
It works regardless of range. Like Darkling Trickery.
LSJ ruling no on Bestial Vengence (and darkling trickey, which has the exact wording as thought betrayed at the time) in 2009
www.vekn.net/forum/generic-v-tes-discussion/75623-ghoul-retainer?start=12#103386>Thetmes wrote:
>Playing a game in which vampire A has a ghoul retainer, in combat with vampire B.
>Vampire B is long and strikes with his magnum. Vampire A wants his ghoul retainer to inflict 1 damage at long as in cardtext, the mention "inflicts 1 damage on the opposing minion each round of combat during normal strike resolution at close range" doesnt exists like with other retainers of that type (Wolf Companion, ...).
>On the other hand all other retainers inflincting damage at long range specify clearly that they do ranged damages (Murder of Crows)...
>Is a Ghoul retainer able to inflict damages at long range without any weapons?
No, it inflicts 1 damage during the strike resolution, which has no effect at long range.
Annkha ruling yes in 2021
None of the four cards mention to deal R damage at the time the ruling was amde (Darkling trickery does now) 2 each have basically the same wording.
Beatial Vengance (ruled working on all ranges) has the same woridng as Ghoul retainer (ruled to work only close)
Darkling Trickery (Ruled at the time to work at any range, now reworded to deal R damage) had, at the time of the ruling, the same wording as Thougts betrayed (ruled to work only on close)
I think we need a clarification here how this is supposed to work.
Only usable before range is determined on the first round.
Opposing minion takes 1 additional damage in the first round of combat during normal strike resolution.
Opposing minion cannot play any strike cards for the duration of this combat.
Press, only usable to end combat.
Maneuver or press.
Only usable if the opposing minion strikes with a weapon that inflicts ranged damage. That weapon inflicts no damage. The opposing minion takes 1R environmental damage during normal strike resolution.
Requires a Laibon.
Only usable before range is determined. Choose a retainer on this Laibon. This combat, this Laibon is immune to frenzy cards and the opposing minion takes 1 damage during strike resolution if the retainer is ready. A vampire can play only one Bestial Vengeance each combat.
As above, but for 2 damage.
Ghoul with 2 life. 1 strength.
During the initial strike resolution each round, the Ghoul Retainer inflicts 1 damage or may use a weapon not used by the employing minion (or another retainer) that round (either before or after). This is not a strike, although it does count as "using" the weapon.
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Strikes (that aren't Dodge or Combat Ends) are only effective at short range. Environmental damage is not a strike, and will deal its damage regardless of range. QED.
If an Environmental effect deals damage that's restricted to a particular range like Hatch the Viper or Wolf Companion, that should be determined by card text.
This is why i've been braying about getting rid of (R) Damage. it makes other things clearer if strikes are the only things that are inherently affected by range without card text. having Environmental damage be R damage or not unnecessarily muddies the waters. Every Gun should be reprinted as "Ranged Strike: Damage" instead of "Strike: R Damage," and we can get rid of an exception to a rule and legacy holdover that we've been clutching to for decades.
Hatch the Viper.
Retainer with 1 life.
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The employer can prevent 1 damage each combat. Hatch the Viper inflicts 1 damage on the opposing minion each round of combat during normal strike resolution at close range.
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As above, but it inflicts 2 damage.
Wolf Companion
Animal with 2 life.
When the minion with this retainer is in combat, the opposing minion takes 1 damage during strike resolution at close range.
As above, but Wolf Companion has 3 life.
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Combat and its various substeps are hard to learn already, and I don't see that enviromental damage working on any range would cause any loss of tactical depth

ani: Only usable before range is determined on the first round. Frenzy.
During this combat, opposing vampire gets +1 strength, but he or she cannot use maneuvers to maneuver to long range, cannot use presses to end combat and cannot use equipment. A vampire may play only one Drawing Out the Beast each combat.
ANI: As above, and the opposing vampire takes 1 unpreventable damage during the press step each round.
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It takes more time than expected, but it's still on my list.There will be a clarification in the next few days.
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