file what happens when an independent vampire with a title becomes anarch?

09 Oct 2024 11:43 #112768 by blackday
What happens when an independent vampire with a title (votes printed on the card such as Amisa or Imanna) become anarch through anarch secession? Do they become anarch with the same votes printed on their card? Or just anarchs?

Name: Anarch Secession
[KMW:R]
Cardtype: Action
+1 stealth action. Requires a ready, non-anarch, titled vampire.
{}This vampire becomes {Anarch}. If he or she had a city title, put this card on him or her as a title card to represent the title of baron of the same city. Minions without titles cannot block this action.{}
Artist: David Day

Name: Imanna
[TU:C/A2]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Banu Haqim
Group: 6
Capacity: 7
Discipline: cel for pre OBF QUI
Independent. 1 vote (titled): Imanna gets +1 vote in referendums she calls. Blood cursed.
Artist: Ginés Quiñonero
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09 Oct 2024 12:18 #112769 by DavidR
She becomes Anarch (titled 1 vote) i think, wasn't city title so she do not become a baron, and as far as i know the title isn't exclusive for the previous sect (independent) so she keep it

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09 Oct 2024 12:52 #112770 by blackday
that's what some players said as well but want to get an official decision to be sure.

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09 Oct 2024 13:07 #112771 by Kilrauko

What happens when an independent vampire with a title (votes printed on the card such as Amisa or Imanna) become anarch through anarch secession? Do they become anarch with the same votes printed on their card? Or just anarchs?

Name: Anarch Secession
[KMW:R]
Cardtype: Action
+1 stealth action. Requires a ready, non-anarch, titled vampire.
{}This vampire becomes {Anarch}. If he or she had a city title, put this card on him or her as a title card to represent the title of baron of the same city. Minions without titles cannot block this action.{}
Artist: David Day

Name: Imanna
[TU:C/A2]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Banu Haqim
Group: 6
Capacity: 7
Discipline: cel for pre OBF QUI
Independent. 1 vote (titled): Imanna gets +1 vote in referendums she calls. Blood cursed.
Artist: Ginés Quiñonero


They keep their votes. Yes. No.

Longer. This has been answered already specifically for Anarch Secession and indpendent 1 vote title. www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/79171-anarch-secession-and-arishtat#102432

LSJ ruling related to non-sect titles and their behaviours is here; groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/-xrhpMEiMrw/m/Vnr8QIyt41cJ

The named Camarilla titles are exclusive to the Camarilla. [10.1]
Unnamed titles are not exclusive to any particular clan or sect.


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