file Does Warsaw Station still unlock the Nosferatu if it was burnt during the action

13 Jan 2025 01:04 - 13 Jan 2025 01:05 #113482 by the1andonlime
A Nosferatu in torpor uses Warsaw Station as they announce a leave torpor action
Before resolution, they burn Warsaw Station to leave torpor (action fizzles and is considered successful)
Does the Nosferatu:
1. unlock because the effect of the delayed trigger still applies (would be consistent with modifiers that do the same thing e.g. Siren's Lure), or
2. stay locked because Warsaw Station doesn't create a delayed trigger when used but constantly check if the action has ended successfully, and isn't around when the condition is fulfilled, or
3. something else altogether?

Warsaw Station


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13 Jan 2025 01:08 #113483 by acbishop
it doesn't unlock as the action wasn't successful as the nosferatu got out of torpor with the Warsaw station but not as the resolution of the action "leave torpor", so the action "leave torpor" fizzles and it is NOT considered successful

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13 Jan 2025 03:34 #113485 by the1andonlime

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20 Jan 2025 00:34 #113550 by the1andonlime
Ankha, can we get your view on this question?


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20 Jan 2025 07:57 - 20 Jan 2025 07:57 #113551 by Ankha

A Nosferatu in torpor uses Warsaw Station as they announce a leave torpor action
Before resolution, they burn Warsaw Station to leave torpor (action fizzles and is considered successful)
Does the Nosferatu:
1. unlock because the effect of the delayed trigger still applies (would be consistent with modifiers that do the same thing e.g. Siren's Lure), or
2. stay locked because Warsaw Station doesn't create a delayed trigger when used but constantly check if the action has ended successfully, and isn't around when the condition is fulfilled, or
3. something else altogether?

Warsaw Station


Answer 1. The delayed conditional effect is resolved even if the card is not in play anymore.
It works the same as "one-shot" master cards with that kind of effect, for instance Danse Macabre:

"Choose a ready Sabbat vampire you control. Once this turn, the chosen Sabbat vampire can burn 1 blood to unlock after performing a successful action."

The card doesn't need to be in play to have its effect last.

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Last edit: 20 Jan 2025 07:57 by Ankha.
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20 Jan 2025 09:40 #113552 by Louhi
Apologies if this is hijacking the thread, but we had a very similar question recently.

Is the same true for a location, or permanent, enabling an action (as opposed to a conditional effect).
An example would be burning filchware's pawnshop with a war ghoul mid action. Does this affect the action?

Filchware's Pawnshop

Name: Filchware's Pawn Shop
[Anarchs:R]
Cardtype: Master
Master: unique location. Trifle.
Any minion may equip with any non-location equipment card in any Methuselah's ash heap as an undirected +1 stealth equip action (he or she must meet the requirements of the card, if any). That action costs 1 additional pool if the minion chooses a card from his or her controller's ash heap. Otherwise, the action costs 1 less pool or blood (but never less than zero).


War Ghoul

Name: War Ghoul
[Sabbat:R, SW:R, Third:R/PTz, POD:DTC, V5C:PTz2]
Cardtype: Ally
Clan: Tzimisce
Cost: 3 pool
Ghoul with 5 life. 4 strength, 0 bleed.
After this ally enters play, burn an ally or retainer you control. It can prevent 1 damage each round of combat. It can enter combat with a vampire as a (D) action. It can lock and burn itself to burn a location, except during combat.


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