file Narrow Minds, Helena ADV and Telepathic Misdirection/Deflection

18 Jan 2025 20:29 #113542 by Kilrauko
Short: While Narrow Minds is in play, Does Helena ADV pay 0 blood to play Telepathic Misdirection/Deflection?

Long: Question came up during Hämeenlinna tournament, it was ruled to cost zero as the Narrow minds cardtext is +1 cost and Helena ADV pays no costs for aus/dom reactions per cardtext and 07/07/07. However as there was no direct VDB ruling or named card rulings to reference quickly it caused a judge call, so in that sense it's a call for VDB team to include 07/07/07 ruling to Helena, Narrow minds and Dragos (and similar). Sorry, but I promised to make this post on VEKN also.

www.vekn.net/history-of-vtes-rules/450-rules-team-rulings-7-july-2007

...All cost-affecting cards operate no matter how the card is played ("as normal" or otherwise). All multiplication and division is handled first, followed by addition and subtraction.
Note that pay nothing still means pay nothing, even if something else would add to the cost. So costs for cards canceled by Sudden Reversal or Direct Intervention are still not paid, for example. And Bauble and Horrid Reality still gets weapons for free. And similar for Helena and Dragos. ...

Name: Helena
[Promo-20051001, Promo-20190408]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Toreador
Level: Advanced
Group: 3
Capacity: 10
Discipline: dai obf pre tha AUS CEL DOM
Independent: Helena pays no blood costs for reaction cards requiring Auspex [aus] or Dominate [dom]. Infernal.
[MERGED] Helena is immune to damage from demons and gets +1 level of Daimoinon [dai] and Obtenebration [obt].
Artist: Rik Martin
Name: Narrow Minds
[LotN:R, EoG:1]
Cardtype: Event
Inconnu. Do not replace until your next unlock phase.
Minion cards that change the target of a bleed action cost +1 blood or life.
Artist: John Bridges
Name: Telepathic Misdirection
[Jyhad:C, VTES:C, CE:C/PM4, BH:PM3/PTo4, Third:C/PM2/SKM1, KoT:C/PT4, SP:DoF2/LB4, FB:PM4/PTo4/PTr4, V5:PM5/PTr4, NB:PM2/PTo2/PTr4, V5C:PSal4, 30th:4]
Cardtype: Reaction
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Auspex
[aus] +1 intercept.
[AUS] Only usable if a minion is bleeding you, after blocks are declined. Lock this reacting vampire. Change the target of the bleed to another Methuselah other than the acting minion's controller (that Methuselah can attempt to block).
Artist: Edward Beard, Jr.; James Stowe

Name: Deflection
[Jyhad:C, VTES:C, SW:PV2, FN:PG2, CE:C/PTr3, BH:PTr4, HttB:PGar4, SP:PoS4/PwN3, 25th:6, FB:PV4, V5:PL6/PM5/PTr4/PV6, NB:PM2/PV4, V5C:PSal3/PTz3]
Cardtype: Reaction
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Dominate
Only usable if a minion is bleeding you, after blocks are declined.
[dom] Lock this reacting vampire. Change the target of the bleed to another Methuselah other than the acting minion's controller (that Methuselah can attempt to block).
[DOM] As above, but do not lock this vampire.
Artist: Larry MacDougall; Gary Chatterton; Ginés Quiñonero


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18 Jan 2025 21:50 #113544 by Ankha

Short: While Narrow Minds is in play, Does Helena ADV pay 0 blood to play Telepathic Misdirection/Deflection?


She pays 0. The card costs more, but she doesn't pay the cost.

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