file Negative Values

24 Nov 2025 16:54 #115860 by jonrreeves
Negative Values was created by jonrreeves
This isn't really a question so much as a humble request for official thumbs up.

There was a question posted on JOL recently about Condemnation: Mute on a primogen and the mechanic of negative votes. I've seen this question come up a few times, and the answer is straightforward. There is a fundamental property of the game that values can go negative. You can have negative stealth, negative intercept, negative hand strength, negative bleed, and of course negative votes.

In the process of answering the question, I went looking for some concise official statement about negative values, and I couldn't find one anywhere. As far as I can tell, the word "negative" only appears in the card rulings list once, in the context of Life Boon.

@Ankha if I may be so bold as to @ you on here, would you be willing to give me a "Correct" response on my statement above, or if I've said anything wrong, a clarifying comment, so we can link to this when answering the question? I realize most experienced VTES players don't have a problem with this concept, but I find it is not intuitive for new players (who are probably bringing context from other games which might not do this), and it would be extremely helpful to have this be discoverable from rulings at least. In the end I'd love to submit a ruling request on Condemnation: Mute specifically linking to this post, but I think it could be applied in a few other places where players have been confused in the past.

Many thanks!

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25 Nov 2025 17:39 - 25 Nov 2025 17:40 #115870 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Negative Values

There is a fundamental property of the game that values can go negative. You can have negative stealth, negative intercept, negative hand strength, negative bleed, and of course negative votes.

Correct.
You cannot have negative counters however, or a negative number of vampires.

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