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10 Oct 2026 23:58 - 11 Oct 2026 00:07 #117877 by Gr33n
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Vampire A successfully enters combat playing hunting the beast superior to rush vampire B targetting younger uncontrolled vampire C.

During combat, both vampire A and B become wounded. Vampire A plays inferior Undead Persistence.

Does vampire C get 2 blood?

Hunting the Beast
+1 stealth action.
  1. Auspex Ⓓ Enter combat with a vampire.
  2. Superior Auspex As above, and at the end of that combat, if this vampire is ready and the opposing vampire is not, add 2 blood to a Salubri in your uncontrolled region.

Undead Persistence
  • Fortitude Only usable when this vampire should go into torpor. Instead, this vampire gets an optional press, will not go to torpor until combat ends but is still considered wounded and can be burned as normal. If three rounds of combat pass with no cards played, combat ends. This vampire is sent into torpor after combat.
  • Superior Fortitude Prevent 2 damage.

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11 Oct 2026 00:10 - 11 Oct 2026 00:12 #117878 by DavidR
Replied by DavidR on topic Hunting the Beast - Undead Persistence
Name: Hunting the Beast
[NB3:PS4]
Cardtype: Action
Clan: Salubri
Discipline: Auspex
+1 stealth action.
[aus] (D) Enter combat with a vampire.
[AUS] As above, and at the end of that combat, if this vampire is ready and the opposing vampire is not, add 2 blood to a Salubri in your uncontrolled region.
Artist: Francisco Tébar

If vampire A was woundead and not ready, vampire C will not get the 2 blood, even with vampire B not ready too

In the end of combat, even with undead persistance vampire A will be not ready, so no blood to C
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11 Oct 2026 00:15 #117879 by Gr33n
Replied by Gr33n on topic Hunting the Beast - Undead Persistence
Yes if vampire A is not ready at the end of combat, C will not get the 2 blood.

The question stands.

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11 Oct 2026 06:16 #117880 by KoRneeshon
Replied by KoRneeshon on topic Hunting the Beast - Undead Persistence
I'd say HB still provides two blood, as it triggers at the end of that combat - when A is wounded, but still ready.
A becomes not ready later - after the combat due to UP (This vampire is sent into torpor after combat).

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11 Oct 2026 19:59 - 11 Oct 2026 21:13 #117883 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Hunting the Beast - Undead Persistence

Vampire A successfully enters combat playing hunting the beast superior to rush vampire B targetting younger uncontrolled vampire C.

During combat, both vampire A and B become wounded. Vampire A plays inferior Undead Persistence.

Does vampire C get 2 blood?


Yes.

usenet.krcg.org/t/JOkVmRv14VI/

[LSJ]Games of instinct + undead persistence



Author: gabusanvtes
Date: Jun 20, 2004, 2:56:33 AM

A vampire enters combat with another using "games of instinct". During combat he plays "undead persistence" at inferior to avoid going to torpor. He then sends opposing vampire to torpor, ending combat. Could he benefit from "games of instinct" refill effect before going to torpor himself? It seems both effects are programmed to the end of combat:

Games of instinct:

"At the end of that combat, if only one combatant is ready, that ready vampire gains blood equal to the opposing vampire's capacity from the blood bank."


Undead persistence:

"this vampire will not go into torpor until combat ends"




Author: LSJ
Date: Jun 20, 2004, 4:35:13 PM

The persistent vampire is ready when combat ends, so can collect the payoff.

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11 Oct 2026 20:24 #117884 by the1andonlime
Replied by the1andonlime on topic Hunting the Beast - Undead Persistence
This ruling seems to contradict the timing above
usenet.krcg.org/t/ZPsShBUBWZI/#m1

They have the same window, so acting player orders them.

and

That is, neither of the effects is "end combat and <blah>". Each one has a given
effect which, when resolved, sets up a later effect to happen after combat.


If "at the end of combat" and "after the end of combat" is the same timing window, rather than "at the end of combat" happening first, there could be knock-on effects to similar card interactions

Yawp Court

If the acting vampire is still ready at the end of combat, the Sabbat vampire takes 2 environmental damage and the referendum is conducted as normal.


Save Face

If the chosen combatant is still ready after the combat ends, he or she gains 1 blood from the blood bank. Only one Save Face may be played each combat.

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