On Lilith's Blessing 3. "problematic card"

Pagan wrote:

You have to be careful by just making it a sect as vampire can easily change sect to lose Bahari status and be a valid target for Lilith's Blessing again.

Kind of like the innate action to go Anarch (and become Independent)? B)

Pagan wrote:

You have to be careful by just making it a sect as vampire can easily change sect to lose Bahari status and be a valid target for Lilith's Blessing again.

Hm, okay, that is possible. But then your minion has to go Anarch (action) and has to pay blood (2 blood, 1 if controlling another anarch). Is that worth it to get possibly another three blood and a master discipline? Maybe yes, but it is not an easy task, maybe only beneficial with the use of multiaction-cards. You could add sect-changing cards. But that again stresses your deck with cards that don't support your goal: oust your prey.

Joscha wrote:

Pagan wrote:

You have to be careful by just making it a sect as vampire can easily change sect to lose Bahari status and be a valid target for Lilith's Blessing again.

Hm, okay, that is possible. But then your minion has to go Anarch (action) and has to pay blood (2 blood, 1 if controlling another anarch). Is that worth it to get possibly another three blood and a master discipline? Maybe yes, but it is not an easy task, maybe only beneficial with the use of multiaction-cards. You could add sect-changing cards. But that again stresses your deck with cards that don't support your goal: oust your prey.

Well, with the blood management issues, you'd probably be using Lilith's Blessing multiple times for the discipline cards (rather than the blood).

If you want blood, then the reusable Seattle Committee is probably the best option.

echiang wrote:

Joscha wrote:

Pagan wrote:

You have to be careful by just making it a sect as vampire can easily change sect to lose Bahari status and be a valid target for Lilith's Blessing again.

Hm, okay, that is possible. But then your minion has to go Anarch (action) and has to pay blood (2 blood, 1 if controlling another anarch). Is that worth it to get possibly another three blood and a master discipline? Maybe yes, but it is not an easy task, maybe only beneficial with the use of multiaction-cards. You could add sect-changing cards. But that again stresses your deck with cards that don't support your goal: oust your prey.

Well, with the blood management issues, you'd probably be using Lilith's Blessing multiple times for the discipline cards (rather than the blood).

Yes, I like it if discipline cards are played more often. If this David's change would lead to it, why not?

Seattle commitee can help a lot to change sects back from Bahari to Anarch. But to get it early you have to play at least four of it in the deck plus the LBs. Fetching master cards is difficult (Sibyl's Tongue is the only one?) so the setup for that bloodpump is hardly effective. I think there are better means to get blood on vampires.

So I don't see the potential to abuse the change of making Bahari an own sect. Do you?

How does enabling a card that has a problem to be used more often a good fix?

If there is no problem using it multiple times then change nothing as being able to use it once/vampire is not a problem then.

If anything the only downside to making them Bahari is it removes titles while keeping any other text. In this case just make Bahari vampires unable to have any title, then you achieve the same goal and prevent multiple use of Lilith's Blessing on the same vampire.

David's idea sounds interesting, especially with Pagan's addendum from previous post.