How do you value archbishops and prisci?

This is just food for thought, but I thought I'd put the question here.

If you had the choice (and for the sake of the argument we focus only on the title, not capacity/disciplines), would you rather control an archbishop or a priscus?
And if you could control 2 of each, would you lean more to ab's, or prisci? And what if the number you control is further increasing?

For me it's clear. Archbishops are more reliable, vote-wise, and give more votes the more you control. Contrast to prisci, where you will have to contend with other players' prisci eventually, and the votes of the block are fixed at 3.

What is your opinion?

When building a crypt I tend to add a single prisci to support the other votes as per vampire it is pretty nice. But then again the last tre decks i had using Prisci used Gratiano and he is alittle bit special...

Amenophobis wrote:

For me it's clear. Archbishops are more reliable, vote-wise, and give more votes the more you control. Contrast to prisci, where you will have to contend with other players' prisci eventually, and the votes of the block are fixed at 3.

You seriously believe this ? Or you have just never thought about it ? It's hard to take this as any other thing than a joke to be honest.

If you have a single priscus, he is exactly as reliable as a cardinal : 3 votes. If your opponent have a prisci, it's the same thing as your and his prisci having 3 votes (who cancel each other). If your opponent have two prisci, it's the same as each prisci having 3 votes (6 to your opponent, 3 for you). If your opponents get 3 or more prisci, then they are unlucky or have badly constructed deck, and in any case the situation is significantly less worse than if all four vampire were archbishop.

Your crosstable ally can have priscus. They can contest justicar or archbishop title too.

Well, Una is spectacular!


Having a Priscus usually gives a player three votes. Having Gratiano with a Cardinal Benediction is fantastic, as he becomes Godtiano.

Having an Archbishop gives a player 2 votes and Eternal Vigilance. Nearly no one uses Creation Rites, Private Audience, or Templar, and the other Archbishop cards are garbage.

KevinM wrote:

Well, Una is spectacular!


Having a Priscus usually gives a player three votes. Having Gratiano with a Cardinal Benediction is fantastic, as he becomes Godtiano.

Having an Archbishop gives a player 2 votes and Eternal Vigilance. Nearly no one uses Creation Rites, Private Audience, or Templar, and the other Archbishop cards are garbage.

Papillon isn't garbage, sigh.

KevinM wrote:

Having an Archbishop gives a player 2 votes and Eternal Vigilance. Nearly no one uses Creation Rites, Private Audience, or Templar, and the other Archbishop cards are garbage.

Note that Eternal Vigilance work with Priscus too. Archbishop card that does not work with priscus are rare : Sabbat Inquisitor, Shock Troops, Cardinal Sin: Failure of Mission, Deploy the Hand. Sabbat inquisitor seem the most useful of the three, and don't see much play.

On the other hand, Priscus can play Chalice of Kinship. It's nothing to write home about either ; maybe some trick deck can use it, but we can safely say they can play the same cards.

So, the difference is mainly that you should remember to not put two priscus in your crypt, in the same way you dont wan't to self contest city title or the justicar library card with a printed justicar.

(and justicar contesting is something I have seen a lot, maybe even more than priscus "contest", and they are bloody affair often)