file Potential Logical changes to a few melee weapons

08 Nov 2022 20:53 #106753 by elotar
In general melee weapons are overcosted by at least 1 pool.

So Bang Nakh should count as hand strike and cost 1 :pool:
Bundi should prevent any closed ranged strike
Bastard sword/meat cleaver should cost 0
Brass knuckles and poker should unlock after equip or something ets.

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09 Nov 2022 04:06 #106759 by ReverendRevolver

In general melee weapons are overcosted by at least 1 pool.

So Bang Nakh should count as hand strike and cost 1 :pool:
Bundi should prevent any closed ranged strike
Bastard sword/meat cleaver should cost 0
Brass knuckles and poker should unlock after equip or something ets.


I don't disagree that they're overcosted, but I'm just pushing for a few of them to make sense thematically.

If we look at WWS compared to other melee weapons, it get used because it's 1 card to pull out in combat, and lasts a few strikes. Compared to zip gun, it does double damage, while typically being used with :for: to take 0 damage Compared to a guaranteed 1 from the weapon.

So from where I'm seeing it, a cost reduction doesn't help cleaver, bastard sword, or poker. Arget Baton and Joulmons axe both cost 0 and do strength +1 with other cool stuff. An immediate trifle style untap would help. Bundi, Bang Nakh, brass knuckles, dagger, and cleaver all ostensibly could for thematic reasons get a "burn 1 pool to equip this as a pre" or "you may use a discard phase action to equip a minion you control with this card". Because they're small.

Thematically, im just after 2 cards doing hand and melee strikes, and brass knuckles not being unplayably limited. Once a round is cool.

I'd say taking knux to:
Brass Knuckles
0cost
Melee weapon.
Strike: hand strike at +1 strength (counts as both a hand and melee weapon strike).
Only usable once a round.
You may use a discard phase action to equip a locked minion you control with this card.

Makes it playable. Not just barely playable, but actually playable.

Bundi can still cost 2 if it prevents hand or melee damage.

I'd say Bang Nakh can cost 2 as well if it gets the hand strike and discard equip thing. Because it's 2 pool for a heroic might(3 blood) or Preturnatural Strength (without tsp limitation) at :POT: without needing a discipline.

This puts the knuckle melee weapons on a playable level, just behind WWS.

Thoughts?

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09 Nov 2022 04:39 - 09 Nov 2022 04:43 #106761 by ReverendRevolver


So, like this?
Lifted strike text verbatim from bundi, lifted discard phase action eqip from Ayo Igolis wording (because "may" sounds better than "can")
If they're already tapped, it avoids tooling up an untapped ready blocker.
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09 Nov 2022 09:37 #106766 by Bloodartist

No, they are trash because they are weaker than their gun counterpart for the same price.
Consider Bang Nahk vs .44 Magnum.
Price: the same
Damage: 3 on the opposing, 1 on the bearer for BN, 2 on the opposing and 0 on the bearer for .44 Magnum

Even if the damage difference is the same, it's infinitely better not to take damage at all, because you will never get to torpor this way, and can do as many combats as you want.

Furthermore, being at long range protects you from many strikes.


Bang Nakh et al. would not be trivially weaker than guns IF they were hand strikes also. Ability to function under grapple would actually make them usable, especially when coupled with something like Salubri Antitribu.

Soo.... errata?

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09 Nov 2022 09:42 #106767 by Kraus


So, like this?
Lifted strike text verbatim from bundi, lifted discard phase action eqip from Ayo Igolis wording (because "may" sounds better than "can")
If they're already tapped, it avoids tooling up an untapped ready blocker.

This is great, actually. It won't make for great decks, but it would make people go "huh, how about that", which is good.

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09 Nov 2022 22:11 #106781 by Poci



So, like this?
Lifted strike text verbatim from bundi, lifted discard phase action eqip from Ayo Igolis wording (because "may" sounds better than "can")
If they're already tapped, it avoids tooling up an untapped ready blocker.


Would use this, 100%.
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