Black Hand Thuggees!
07 Nov 2011 10:49 - 07 Nov 2011 10:50 #13526
by mika
Black Hand Thuggees! was created by mika
Black Hand Thuggees!
Overwhelm your prey with minions and let the thuggees stab low blood thirsty vampires to torpor! Build steadily and let the allies protect your main actors.
Any suggestions how to improve this concept and what to replace?
CRYPT:
Roger Farnsworth, 4 OBF aus
Colonel, The, 5 cel dem obf AUS
Gabriel de Cambrai, 5 aus cel dem obf pre
Nails, 5 ani obf pro POT
Skryta Zyleta, 5 obf pot pro CEL
Ezekiel, Lord of Mont., 6 obf pot PRE SER
Ingram Frizer, 6 ani pot AUS OBF
Reza Fatir, 6 obf pro CEL QUI
4 x Anarch convert
LIBRARY: 90
Master: 13
7 x Discipline: Obfuscate
2 x Dreams of the Sphinx
Drop Point network
Information highway
Admonitions
Weeping stone
Action: 16
11 x Reunion kamut
3 x Conceal
2 x Clotho's gift
Action mod: 33
4 x Cloak the gathering
4 x Faceless night
4 x Lost in crowds
4 x Spying mission
4 x Swallowed by the night
4 x Veil the legions
4 x Forgotten labyrinth
3 x Art of memory
2 x Change of target
Ally: 13
2 x Cry wolf
8 x Marijava Thuggee
Young bloods
Ossian
Vagabond mystic
Equipment: 2
Guarded rubricks
Unlicensed taxicab OR Heart of nitzchetus
Reaction: 11
5 x Confusion of the eye
4 x OTQV
2 x Truth in ink
Event: 2
Unmasking
FBI special affairs division
Overwhelm your prey with minions and let the thuggees stab low blood thirsty vampires to torpor! Build steadily and let the allies protect your main actors.
Any suggestions how to improve this concept and what to replace?
CRYPT:
Roger Farnsworth, 4 OBF aus
Colonel, The, 5 cel dem obf AUS
Gabriel de Cambrai, 5 aus cel dem obf pre
Nails, 5 ani obf pro POT
Skryta Zyleta, 5 obf pot pro CEL
Ezekiel, Lord of Mont., 6 obf pot PRE SER
Ingram Frizer, 6 ani pot AUS OBF
Reza Fatir, 6 obf pro CEL QUI
4 x Anarch convert
LIBRARY: 90
Master: 13
7 x Discipline: Obfuscate
2 x Dreams of the Sphinx
Drop Point network
Information highway
Admonitions
Weeping stone
Action: 16
11 x Reunion kamut
3 x Conceal
2 x Clotho's gift
Action mod: 33
4 x Cloak the gathering
4 x Faceless night
4 x Lost in crowds
4 x Spying mission
4 x Swallowed by the night
4 x Veil the legions
4 x Forgotten labyrinth
3 x Art of memory
2 x Change of target
Ally: 13
2 x Cry wolf
8 x Marijava Thuggee
Young bloods
Ossian
Vagabond mystic
Equipment: 2
Guarded rubricks
Unlicensed taxicab OR Heart of nitzchetus
Reaction: 11
5 x Confusion of the eye
4 x OTQV
2 x Truth in ink
Event: 2
Unmasking
FBI special affairs division



Last edit: 07 Nov 2011 10:50 by mika.
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07 Nov 2011 11:15 #13528
by Lech

Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.
Replied by Lech on topic Re: Black Hand Thuggees!
Use other crypt, with veil of legions and cloaks you dont need every vampire with obfuscate especially as you already have master disciplines.
You can do neat AUS/OBF bh crypt and throw in some telepatic misdirections or just add DOM minions for deflections.
You can also consider using Banjoko and Teresita and Kazimir with Tattoo Signals/Seraph's Second.
You can do neat AUS/OBF bh crypt and throw in some telepatic misdirections or just add DOM minions for deflections.
You can also consider using Banjoko and Teresita and Kazimir with Tattoo Signals/Seraph's Second.






Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.
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07 Nov 2011 11:29 #13530
by Suoli
Replied by Suoli on topic Re: Black Hand Thuggees!
I believe this deck type has serious tournament level potential. I'm going to make some suggestions with that goal in mind, gearing it more towards swarm bleed. Feel free to ignore them if you'd prefer to keep it as a casual blood denial deck.
The maximum deck size for this should be 75 cards. 90 is way too inconsistent.
Go with Telepathic Misdirection instead of bleed reduction, even if it means duplicate Ingrams and Colonels. You'll want the additional pressure on your prey.
Obfuscate-disciplines aren't worth the slots. Definitely replace most if not all of those with Charisma, Vessels, Blood Dolls, Perfectionists etc., according to preference.
Less Reunion Kamut, way more Computer Hacking.
Forgotten Labyrinth obviously isn't compatible with Computer Hacking.
The cycling effect from Art of Memory is pretty neat for consistency when you're Hacking at stealth. You could go as high as 8x in a 75 card library but I haven't personally tested this.
The maximum deck size for this should be 75 cards. 90 is way too inconsistent.
Go with Telepathic Misdirection instead of bleed reduction, even if it means duplicate Ingrams and Colonels. You'll want the additional pressure on your prey.
Obfuscate-disciplines aren't worth the slots. Definitely replace most if not all of those with Charisma, Vessels, Blood Dolls, Perfectionists etc., according to preference.
Less Reunion Kamut, way more Computer Hacking.
Forgotten Labyrinth obviously isn't compatible with Computer Hacking.
The cycling effect from Art of Memory is pretty neat for consistency when you're Hacking at stealth. You could go as high as 8x in a 75 card library but I haven't personally tested this.
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07 Nov 2011 12:15 #13536
by Suoli
Replied by Suoli on topic Re: Black Hand Thuggees!
Some additional thoughts.
Impundulu is probably better than Young Bloods. It costs blood, not pool, grows with stolen blood, kills allies and doesn't have target restrictions. With Unmasking and built-in Saturday Night Special it's also a valid blocker.
I would also add a couple of surprise Monkey Wrenches. Might as well use that blood for something.
Impundulu is probably better than Young Bloods. It costs blood, not pool, grows with stolen blood, kills allies and doesn't have target restrictions. With Unmasking and built-in Saturday Night Special it's also a valid blocker.
I would also add a couple of surprise Monkey Wrenches. Might as well use that blood for something.
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07 Nov 2011 12:42 - 07 Nov 2011 12:44 #13537
by mika
Replied by mika on topic Re: Black Hand Thuggees!
Thank you for your comments! Many good points there.
Master Disciplines definently take a lot of slots here but i want to ensure that i have the OBF card effects at max. Secondly, i could use them for converts if necessary.
@Suoli:
Impundulu and Monkey wrenches sounds good. Crypt's Sons could be fun too. I have to find room for some of those. 75 cards might be too low for a this deck and i've tried to counter inconsistency here by having dreams, admonitions, weeping stone and the heart. They should help me cycling the cards i need at the moment.
Master section could have some trifles such as vessels or even one Remover.
Considering the bleeding: Occasional bleed plus could do well but i don't really know how to fit computer hacking in this deck. Kamut is such a good card and saves me a lot pool as well as gives me speed influence. Conceals i consider too valuable to leave out. On the other hand, 6 minions at average should be able to create a bleed threat enough as a default.
@Lech:
Seraphs is good idea but totally different concept. I could have a deck with POT OBF + seraphs throwing Horseshoes and spawning Thuggees. For this deck i want to emphasize the flexibility of card use.
Truth in Inks could be replaced by Misdirections for i should at least one AUS in the field...
Thanks for your comments! Keep 'em coming!
Master Disciplines definently take a lot of slots here but i want to ensure that i have the OBF card effects at max. Secondly, i could use them for converts if necessary.
@Suoli:
Impundulu and Monkey wrenches sounds good. Crypt's Sons could be fun too. I have to find room for some of those. 75 cards might be too low for a this deck and i've tried to counter inconsistency here by having dreams, admonitions, weeping stone and the heart. They should help me cycling the cards i need at the moment.
Master section could have some trifles such as vessels or even one Remover.
Considering the bleeding: Occasional bleed plus could do well but i don't really know how to fit computer hacking in this deck. Kamut is such a good card and saves me a lot pool as well as gives me speed influence. Conceals i consider too valuable to leave out. On the other hand, 6 minions at average should be able to create a bleed threat enough as a default.
@Lech:
Seraphs is good idea but totally different concept. I could have a deck with POT OBF + seraphs throwing Horseshoes and spawning Thuggees. For this deck i want to emphasize the flexibility of card use.
Truth in Inks could be replaced by Misdirections for i should at least one AUS in the field...
Thanks for your comments! Keep 'em coming!



Last edit: 07 Nov 2011 12:44 by mika.
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07 Nov 2011 13:05 #13540
by Lönkka
He might have some pointers...
Replied by Lönkka on topic Re: Black Hand Thuggees!
Petri made a Obf/Thuggee deck and qualified with it on FCQ at Paris.I believe this deck type has serious tournament level potential.
He might have some pointers...
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