Creating an inner circle theme deck
26 Apr 2011 09:15 #3772
by wastaz
Creating an inner circle theme deck was created by wastaz
Hi everyone,
I was looking around in my collection the other day and noticed that I had 4 of each inner circle member from KoT in there. This quickly led me to the slightly insane idea of using them and creating an inner circle theme deck.
However, while I was very intrigued by that idea I quickly realised that my deck building skills just doesn't seem to be up to par to create something workable out of this. So I figured that asking for some help and thoughts here might be a good idea.
I had the following "challenge" in mind.
* The crypt should only consist of the IC members from the KoT set.
* No more than 4 of each member, and at least 1 of each.
Of course, I'm quite sure that whatever would come out of this would be...quite hard to win with... But isn't that part of the charm?
I first figured that it might be worthwhile to oust by abusing Lutz and passing a million votes (since each IC member has 4 votes each). However, this does seem like a bit of a "too obvious" way to do this. Oust-by-Lutz is just not very creative, and also I'm a bit unsure that I'd be able to call enough votes with a crypt such as this.
A quite large problem would be how to actually get more than one IC member out, since the average crypt capacity would be 11 in such a deck...I'd be quite the sitting duck for a long time.
How would you tackle an idea such as this? Is it possible to make something viable out of this or will it be doomed to "fun theme deck"-hell forever? (Not that that's necessarily bad, such decks can be a blast to play in the right company.)
I was looking around in my collection the other day and noticed that I had 4 of each inner circle member from KoT in there. This quickly led me to the slightly insane idea of using them and creating an inner circle theme deck.
However, while I was very intrigued by that idea I quickly realised that my deck building skills just doesn't seem to be up to par to create something workable out of this. So I figured that asking for some help and thoughts here might be a good idea.
I had the following "challenge" in mind.
* The crypt should only consist of the IC members from the KoT set.
* No more than 4 of each member, and at least 1 of each.
Of course, I'm quite sure that whatever would come out of this would be...quite hard to win with... But isn't that part of the charm?
I first figured that it might be worthwhile to oust by abusing Lutz and passing a million votes (since each IC member has 4 votes each). However, this does seem like a bit of a "too obvious" way to do this. Oust-by-Lutz is just not very creative, and also I'm a bit unsure that I'd be able to call enough votes with a crypt such as this.
A quite large problem would be how to actually get more than one IC member out, since the average crypt capacity would be 11 in such a deck...I'd be quite the sitting duck for a long time.
How would you tackle an idea such as this? Is it possible to make something viable out of this or will it be doomed to "fun theme deck"-hell forever? (Not that that's necessarily bad, such decks can be a blast to play in the right company.)
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26 Apr 2011 09:41 #3773
by jhattara
Replied by jhattara on topic Re: Creating an inner circle theme deck
I have an Inner Circle deck that uses 3 of the 6 (Adana, Lutz, Rafael), and could with little modifications use possibly the 3 others. Deck is using mostly Presence and Obfuscate with some added Celerity and Auspex. Bleed with Flurry+untap and vote in return. Use Alastors for Helicopters and additional multi-acting goodness.
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26 Apr 2011 11:26 - 26 Apr 2011 11:27 #3775
by Dr.Mafrune
Replied by Dr.Mafrune on topic Re: Creating an inner circle theme deck
It´s not that difficult.
Is a 3 part jigsaw. Having tones of votes + +1/+2 inherent bleed + 5 of the 6 share superior obfuscate = Stealth vote & bleed deck, with heavy bloating via villeins.
Example of deck structure:
Crypt
Undoubtly more copies of Lutz and only 1 copy of Hardestatt.
60-70 card deck
20 Master+-
-8 Villein, 8 accelerators,
Monastery, Pentex, Lilith´s Blessing, giant´s blood
15 Actions or more
2x Entrancement
Rest votes, including typical ancient, reins, political, banishment, ancilla,... honor the elders could also be a nice addition to gain blood and pool.
20 Modifiers
15 Stealth
5 Voters and other stuff
Rest 15 or less
Evidently to avoid rush ( mental maze & others ) and little bounce,
Is a 3 part jigsaw. Having tones of votes + +1/+2 inherent bleed + 5 of the 6 share superior obfuscate = Stealth vote & bleed deck, with heavy bloating via villeins.
Example of deck structure:
Crypt
Undoubtly more copies of Lutz and only 1 copy of Hardestatt.
60-70 card deck
20 Master+-
-8 Villein, 8 accelerators,
Monastery, Pentex, Lilith´s Blessing, giant´s blood
15 Actions or more
2x Entrancement
Rest votes, including typical ancient, reins, political, banishment, ancilla,... honor the elders could also be a nice addition to gain blood and pool.
20 Modifiers
15 Stealth
5 Voters and other stuff
Rest 15 or less
Evidently to avoid rush ( mental maze & others ) and little bounce,
Last edit: 26 Apr 2011 11:27 by Dr.Mafrune.
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26 Apr 2011 12:45 - 26 Apr 2011 12:55 #3777
by wastaz
How come that Hardestadt is the one that you think that there should only be one copy of?
I've tried using Mental Maze before in a Setite deck, though I had a lot of problems with actually getting to use it since it says
so from what I understand this card can only be played if _I_ manage to block one of my opponents vampires? Wouldn't I need a lot of intercept in the deck to be able to reliably do that, otherwise it would feel like this card would be one of those cards that are just getting cycled all the time. Or maybe I'm missing something?
Replied by wastaz on topic Re: Creating an inner circle theme deck
It´s not that difficult.
Undoubtly more copies of Lutz and only 1 copy of Hardestatt.
How come that Hardestadt is the one that you think that there should only be one copy of?
Evidently to avoid rush ( mental maze & others ) and little bounce,
I've tried using Mental Maze before in a Setite deck, though I had a lot of problems with actually getting to use it since it says
Only usable when this vampire successfully blocks an ally or a younger vampire (play before combat, if any).
so from what I understand this card can only be played if _I_ manage to block one of my opponents vampires? Wouldn't I need a lot of intercept in the deck to be able to reliably do that, otherwise it would feel like this card would be one of those cards that are just getting cycled all the time. Or maybe I'm missing something?
Last edit: 26 Apr 2011 12:55 by wastaz.
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26 Apr 2011 12:53 #3778
by Klaital
Because he is the only one without obfuscate.
Replied by Klaital on topic Re: Creating an inner circle theme deck
It´s not that difficult.
Undoubtly more copies of Lutz and only 1 copy of Hardestatt.
How come that Hardestadt is the one that you think that there should only be one copy of?
Because he is the only one without obfuscate.
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26 Apr 2011 12:54 #3779
by wastaz
Now that you point it out to me it becomes so obvious Didn't think about that. I've just always seen Rafael as the weakest of the bunch.
Replied by wastaz on topic Re: Creating an inner circle theme deck
It´s not that difficult.
Undoubtly more copies of Lutz and only 1 copy of Hardestatt.
How come that Hardestadt is the one that you think that there should only be one copy of?
Because he is the only one without obfuscate.
Now that you point it out to me it becomes so obvious Didn't think about that. I've just always seen Rafael as the weakest of the bunch.
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