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Suoli wrote:

Murder of Crows or Preternatural Strength beats Biothaumaturgic Experiment.

I think you're dead wrong, because Biothaumaturgic do two thing at once : both damage and maneuver. Of course, it's even better when you have weenie with to put it on the star. That being said, there is too many of them, 2 or 3 should be enough.

On the same idea, Blood fury add something completely different from Carrion, and it's very possible to prevent Carrion with fortitude.

The apportation and Rego motus are harder to defend, and I can't really think of a reason not to replace them.

The deck have next to no defense, which seem very problematic. Given that Mic have big animalism, Sense the Savage Way x6 and/or some animal retainer look like something necessary. An Enkil cog would also be useful. The main problem being that to add all that (and some magic of the smith and permarush weapon like the Talbot) you would need to remove a lot of action.

Most importantly, the sidekick selection is way too big. 5 cap should be the maximum size, not the minimum one.

Ohlmann wrote:

Suoli wrote:

Murder of Crows or Preternatural Strength beats Biothaumaturgic Experiment.

I think you're dead wrong, because Biothaumaturgic do two thing at once : both damage and maneuver. Of course, it's even better when you have weenie with to put it on the star. That being said, there is too many of them, 2 or 3 should be enough.

In most situations, Murder of Crows is better than a maneuver and +1 strength. In others, it's only slightly worse.

On the same idea, Blood fury add something completely different from Carrion, and it's very possible to prevent Carrion with fortitude.

The difference is significant only if your opponent wants to prevent with Soak/Armor of Vitality or something stupid like 4 Indomitabilities. Against anything else, Blood Fury is unplayable. Now consider how many decks out of all played decks actually use Fortitude prevention and how many of those prevention cards actually are Soak/Armor of Vitality. I think it's completely fair to say that in this and most decks, Carrion Crows is better than Blood Fury 99% of the time.

Crows is way better than blood fury in this deck, or any deck running 7 tastes.

I use armor of vitality more and more lately id im running main vamos with litrle fortitude, like cock eobin and nik or anatole, but realistically, micty and a chainsaw does the same with other fortitude that costs a blood at little, and melee weapons cry ro AoV anyway, so crows is still a better option.

Soul burn is more practical than bf, bur not in thia deck. Tham grapple lovez those cards, but micti is better as not just tham grappl (although vauxall excels is that deck...).

And biithaum costs pool, other perma punch doesnt. Aguably, murder is harder to get than other stuff, and a paxk alpha option would make murder the choice.
In absence of preturnatural or even heroic might, 1 or 2 biotham is ok.

But fortitude is more likely to suceed than rego. Save rego for carna and uta decks, micty has better options.

Ok i must write another deck, but i don't understand how carrion crown can be better of torn+heroic might+blood fury. 8 damage that can't be prevent is soo bad?

dog pack is better in dat deck, but what vampire is better to put with mic? little cap with dominate?potence?

It depends on if you are committed to graverobbing. There are better tham and for tham graverob combos, but if you really wanted to use mic to remove arms and a helper to graverob, maybe pot dom weenies and mids is what you want.

The problem isnt with the massive amount of damage, thats hot, when you sink it. The issue is the amount of tool up required. The most efficient fortitude prevent is rolling with the punches, and crows still hits with that. The idea is, animalism is just solid, and crows is stupid efdicient if you punch and press, like with grapple combat. Mic tearing up a signpost and punching for 4, crows for 2 and press to continuexoff of grapple isnt going to care about fortitude more than a round or two, and thats if yourxopponent gets lucky. Even stipoing hands will cost a blood ( soak at big is rare, since agg is efficient) and mic will torp a minion with a few grapples.
With the chainsaw, anyone hits saw for 3, and can crows for 2 two rounds, preventing a damage. If you freakdrice afterwords and heidleberg, it can happen several times.

Not saying you shouldnt go your origional route, but animalism is very strong, and guruhi, gangrel, and bujah will give you support vamos if yiu go with potence, animalism, fortiude, and a splash of presence.

The thing to remeber is therecis no such thing as the perfect deck, only the most optimal version of whatever you are trying to build.