file Aggressive Voting - Tzimisce

20 Sep 2018 13:30 #90687 by ReverendRevolver
If worried about Legionnaires, Crocs tongue seems solid. Most titles Tzimisce worth running will probably have ample opportunity to play it on blockers as well.

The trend in legionnaires will eventually die down, but it's the first super viable option HoS have had, so I'd expect them to stay embedded. The most efficient way to deal with them is running some Consume the dead in decks using Anu, Le din tho, Sennadurak, or Veejay. Of course, Asguresh is solid as hell, but :CEL: guns in his grouping isn't exactly great, and the only (non-mata hari) vamp to play that efficiently would be Anu, who goes well in decks where you could feasibly eat your own allies.

But you can't prepare for EVERYTHING in a given deck, and frankly, with the sort of deck being described, you simply will have some bad matchups sometimes. Law firm will be rough when you dont have CS in hand, ally decks aren't easy to deal with (kindred segregation is a kit super great option, but it's an option. Depending on meta, I'd say better than perpetual care) . More defensive options (under siege, maybe abbot) are easy fits that help along with StsW and Eyes of argus with Tzimisce, but ultimately you just be able to handle most stuff while maintaining forward pressure in votes, and hope for the best.

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20 Sep 2018 22:22 #90693 by Klaital
If your worried about ally hordes, just get those anarchist uprisings/ancilla empowerments in.

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21 Sep 2018 02:51 - 21 Sep 2018 03:33 #90694 by Bloodartist

If your worried about ally hordes, just get those anarchist uprisings/ancilla empowerments in.


Won't do you much good if you can't get the political action through... The topic list has no stealth cards. Allies with unmasking (+1 intercept vs vampires) will block every political action you attempt at the default +1 stealth. This is NOT an uncommon scenario. Allies don't care about the aggro. Legionnaires are even harder to deal with since if you burn them somehow they just come back.

The deck should at the very least have some changelings for extra stealth for the scenario I just described. Or creepshow casino , or uncoiling to counter unmasking.

(Not saying that anarchist uprising is bad; IMO you should include either it or ancilla empowerment or both in all vote decks. But they don't solve this problem)

A heretic is a man who sees with his own eyes.
—Gotthold Ephraim Lessing



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21 Sep 2018 04:41 #90695 by Klaital
Well I think I did note it in an earlier post that he should add Mind of the Wilds and likely Changeling also, and evne Plasmic Form. It is a common misconception among newer players that if you can fight, you should never use stealth. Even if you can vaporize anyone in combat, you still want to have some stealth to get the critical actions through (and mind of the wilds even helps you mess people up in combat).

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21 Sep 2018 15:26 #90706 by AceFranklin
Good points, I know the deck is not going to be able to handle all forms of combat, agro poke is shut down by prevention or combat ends. In those cases I'll just have to hope I can outlast my opponent.

I don't think adding some stealth is a bad idea but there will never be enough stealth I can add to get around anyone with dedicated intercept that wouldn't dilute this deck to make it ineffective in other areas. i.e defense or the combat package itself.

Not saying these suggestions aren't without merit. I'll need to consider what the best way to adjust the deck to make it as effective as possible.

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25 Sep 2018 09:32 #90752 by Bloodartist


I don't think adding some stealth is a bad idea but there will never be enough stealth I can add to get around anyone with dedicated intercept that wouldn't dilute this deck to make it ineffective in other areas. i.e defense or the combat package itself.


Which is why suggested cards that serve another function, changeling can also act as a +bleed. Finding the right amount of utility is a very rewarding part of deckbuilding in my opinion.

A heretic is a man who sees with his own eyes.
—Gotthold Ephraim Lessing



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