file Fortitude/Thaumaturgy - Bruise/Bleed

30 Aug 2011 10:42 #9302 by thefakenews
Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 6 max: 10 average: 7.5

3x Victorine Lafourca 8 DOM FOR PRE tha prince Ventrue:3
2x Iliana 7 DOM FOR PRO tha Gangrel:2
2x Muaziz, Archon of 7 THA aus dom for Tremere:2
2x Eugenio Estevez 6 AUS THA dom for Tremere:3
1x Lucinde, Alastor 10 DOM FOR PRE obf pot tha justicar Ventrue:3
1x Bindusara, Histori 9 AUS DOM FOR PRE tha Ventrue:2
1x Ladislas Toth, The 7 AUS DOM THA for archbishop !Tremere:3


Library [90 cards]

Action [6]
3x Bum's Rush
3x Rutor's Hand

Action Modifier [20]
3x Bonding
4x Conditioning
9x Freak Drive
4x Threats

Combat [38]
12x Apportation
6x Cauldron of Blood
3x Indomitability
6x Skin of Rock
5x Taste of Vitae
6x Walk of Flame

Master [16]
1x Archon Investigation
1x Blood Doll
1x Elder Library
1x Fragment of the Book of Nod
1x Giant's Blood
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Powerbase: Montreal
1x Sudden Reversal
2x Thaumaturgy
2x Vessel
2x Villein
2x Zillah's Valley

Reaction [10]
5x Deflection
2x On the Qui Vive
3x Wake with Evening's Freshness

I think the general idea of the deck speaks for itself. This is a very rough list that is mainly pulled from cards I already have. I'm not sure about the make-up of the crypt, but there isn't a lot to work with as the vampires with the disciplines I want to use are rare as hen's teeth.

I'm also thinking there might be an excess of combat cards in there. A little more bleed defense might be helpful too?

I'd be grateful for anyone's thoughts on the deck.

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30 Aug 2011 10:59 #9306 by Isanwayen
Difficult.. very difficult.
You got only 3 rushes, plus Lucinde's Special. In additon, your defense is very leaky. So it's hard to protect your pool.
You can bleed consistently, but if your prey is able to deflect, lets say, 3 modified bleeds, he should be safe.
I'd drop, PB: Montreal, Pentex and the Fragment of the book of Nod. YOu can't protect them. Instead add ore Villeins and Lilith's blessing. This pumps up your bloat module and helps you to get THA on your minions.

I'd also change the combat module slightly... like this:

Combat [34]
10x Apportation
6x Cauldron of Blood
3x Indomitability
6x Hidden Strength
4x Taste of Vitae
5x Walk of Flame

Then you have four more cards to invest in rushes or Govern the unaligned.

Just my 2cents

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30 Aug 2011 11:20 #9310 by Klaital
You might want to consider Vincent Day instead of Bindusara and maybe Lucinde too, he is 5 cap who has all the discplines you use, and I can't see how you would ever manage to afford those big lugs who don't even have superior thaumaturgy anyway.

Also, Blood to Water is just strictly better than Cauldron of Blood if you really want to go to the second round stuff. If you are going to do second roung agg poking then you might also want to consider some graverobbings.

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30 Aug 2011 11:49 #9313 by Mael
I find second round combat is very weak compared to regular combat.
If you are going to stick to the 2nd round idea, you should definitely include Mob Connections. The Taste's should be replaced with Theft's though, so you can do something useful first round. Also, the lack of Aus means you've no answer against S:CE.

Having tried to do a completely different For/Tha Bruise/Bleed deck before, I think the G4 vampires are better for it than G2.

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30 Aug 2011 14:40 - 30 Aug 2011 14:42 #9324 by Kiddo
Yup, I agree with other comments that your crypt is...lacking. IMHO, when it comes to FOR+THA, you need much more sup THA than you need sup FOR, and therefore you can make a better crypt with G4/5.

How about this?

4x Gerald Windham 9 AUS DOM FOR THA Tremere:5
2x Polly Kay Fisher 8 AUS DOM THA for pot archbishop !Ventrue:4
2x Antonio d'Erlette 5 THA dom for pot !Tremere:4
2x Claus Wegener 5 DOM aus for tha Tremere:5
1x Jefferson Foster 6 AUS DOM for tha bishop !Ventrue:4
1x Lord Ephraim Wainw 6 AUS THA for pre Tremere:5


You keep THA on most vamps, your main guy has both at sup and two extremely useful abilities...

Also, I'd be tempted to make a bruise/bleed deck based, for example, on Gerald and Antonio (meaning Gerald and Nephandi, who can either burn vamps your combat has torporised or, once the way is clear, bleed).
Last edit: 30 Aug 2011 14:42 by Kiddo.

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30 Aug 2011 20:59 #9356 by Shodan
I think Kiddo has a good start for a crypt fix, but I'd do some more changing...

3x Gerald Windham 9 AUS DOM FOR THA Tremere:5
2x Polly Kay Fisher 8 AUS DOM THA for pot archbishop !Ventrue:4
2x Lernean 10 AUS CEL DOM THA for pro !Tremere:4
2x Claus Wegener 5 DOM aus for tha Tremere:5
1x Saulot, the Wanderer 11 AUS FOR OBE THA VAL dai Salubri:4
1x Jefferson Foster 6 AUS DOM for tha bishop !Ventrue:4
1x Lord Ephraim Wainw 6 AUS THA for pre Tremere:5

However, I have been thinking of using G1/2 with Muaziz. Magic up the Rowan Ring, and Amaranth all day.

I ran a similar crypt in a silly THA/FOR deck I made. Thinking of remaking it.
Magic of the Smith and the Seal of Veddartha lets you fix both Saulot AND Ephraim, plus it would make Salout bleed for 3, and with a repulsion, bleeding for 3 at 1 stealth and having +1 str is annoying to deal with.

I agree with everyone, 2nd round combat is garbage, you could do more with less cards by just agg poking all day in round 1.
I was thinking for a THA/FOR deck, Skin of Night and Burst of Sunlight. Precognition for defending, and Dawn Operation and Weather Control for when you act.

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