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18 Jul 2018 18:35 #88976 by cordovader

Another reason why .44 (or concealed weapon) is very powerful. @Kraus (also Deflection , check).


Yep, an archetype that bleeds for 1 with 3 vampires and won 4 tournaments in the last 3 years (2 by me BTW) should definately be nerfed.

It's also the amount of Deflections I play in the deck that gave me the victory, I'm pretty sure about that. :lol:
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18 Jul 2018 19:07 #88977 by Lech
Did i wrote "sole reason" ? I'm pretty sure it was "another reason".

Also, the number of Deflection that you can play in the deck isn't 2, it's about 8 (hi ashur's tablets!).

It's not to downplay your success, it's to show that indeed celguns are problematic from design point of view.

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18 Jul 2018 19:54 #88986 by elotar
Celguns use exclusively .44 because only point of using weapons instead of spending their cost on slightly bigger vampires and hit with :pot: or on more vampires and hit with sticks / :ani: is a maneuver, gained after playing psyche!.

There are quite a few guns with inbuilt maneuvers:
- Night Special and Deer Rifle hit only for 1 which is pointless
- Beretta and Foldable MG need unrealistic setup
- Kpist can't be used with additional strikes
- paying 4+ pool for a weapon in a land where Canine Hordes are roaming is crazy

So .44 is actually the only gun, which can be used in a celgusndeck. If you want to see other guns you should not make .44 worse, you should make other guns better.

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18 Jul 2018 20:03 #88988 by Lech

Celguns use exclusively .44 because only point of using weapons instead of spending their cost on slightly bigger vampires and hit with :pot: or on more vampires and hit with sticks / :ani: is a maneuver, gained after playing psyche!.

There are quite a few guns with inbuilt maneuvers:
- Night Special and Deer Rifle hit only for 1 which is pointless
- Beretta and Foldable MG need unrealistic setup
- Kpist can't be used with additional strikes
- paying 4+ pool for a weapon in a land where Canine Hordes are roaming is crazy

So .44 is actually the only gun, which can be used in a celgusndeck. If you want to see other guns you should not make .44 worse, you should make other guns better.


I perfectly know the reasons why they use .44. I also know that cel-gun efficiency is preventing :CEL: from becoming real efficient combat discipline (because there are cel-guns ...).

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18 Jul 2018 20:12 #88991 by elotar

I perfectly know the reasons why they use .44. I also know that cel-gun efficiency is preventing :CEL: from becoming real efficient combat discipline (because there are cel-guns ...).


Lol what? To make :cel: combat more efficient you want to make it's most effective strategy less efficient? :lol:

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18 Jul 2018 21:15 #88999 by cordovader

Did i wrote "sole reason" ? I'm pretty sure it was "another reason".

Also, the number of Deflection that you can play in the deck isn't 2, it's about 8 (hi ashur's tablets!).

It's not to downplay your success, it's to show that indeed celguns are problematic from design point of view.


First of all, if you think what you search with Ashur Tablets is 2 Deflections all the time, that means that you never played/saw play this deck.

And second, during the finals I managed to play 1 Ashur Tablets cycle, so even if I wanted to play 8 Deflections I wouldn't have been able.

I played 1 Deflection during the whole tournament as far as I remember, and it was during the finals (and gave me the first VP).

Celguns use exclusively .44 because only point of using weapons instead of spending their cost on slightly bigger vampires and hit with :pot: or on more vampires and hit with sticks / :ani: is a maneuver, gained after playing psyche!.

There are quite a few guns with inbuilt maneuvers:
- Night Special and Deer Rifle hit only for 1 which is pointless
- Beretta and Foldable MG need unrealistic setup
- Kpist can't be used with additional strikes
- paying 4+ pool for a weapon in a land where Canine Hordes are roaming is crazy

So .44 is actually the only gun, which can be used in a celgusndeck. If you want to see other guns you should not make .44 worse, you should make other guns better.


I perfectly know the reasons why they use .44. I also know that cel-gun efficiency is preventing :CEL: from becoming real efficient combat discipline (because there are cel-guns ...).


Could you enlighten us to what you consider efficient in :CEL:?
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