No More Bounce Cards

Ankha wrote:

The key is too create a card that is well-balanced (ie. neither wallpaper or no brainer), brings something new that may interact with new strategies. If it doesn't, then better leave the things as they are.

There is already Lost in Translation for that. Vast majority of the good bleed decks will bleed you with either midcaps or weenies, so any 8+ cap can use Lost in Translation fairly easily to defend against them if you feel you really absolutely must have bounce. If you are getting bled by a 10-11 cap, then I recommend Pentex Subversion or Archon Investigation, or just backrushing it generally works fine. There is also Protected Resources to keep you safe from bleedzookas.

I would like to see a option which can be used instead of bounce.

For example:

Traffic Jam
Type: Reaction
Cost: 1 blood
Only usable by a vampire with capacity above 6 during a bleed action.
The bleed action ends unsuccessfully. Untap the acting minion. Tap this reacting minion.


...or more like Delaying Tactics:

Traffic Jam
Type: Reaction
Cost: 1 blood
Only usable during a bleed action.
The bleed action ends unsuccessfully. Untap the acting minion. Return one of the cards (if any) played during this action to its owner's hand (discard afterward).



The second card may have some issues when you use it against your predator (he can get that Govern or Conditioning back and attempt to use it with another minion).

Jussi wrote:

Traffic Jam
Type: Reaction
Cost: 1 blood
Only usable during a bleed action.
The bleed action ends unsuccessfully. Untap the acting minion. Return one of the cards (if any) played during this action to its owner's hand (discard afterward).



The second card may have some issues when you use it against your predator (he can get that Govern or Conditioning back and attempt to use it with another minion).

What about 'return the action card used to bleed to hand, he can't use them this turn' ?

"Younger" is terrible if preventing from using the card, hovever:

Bounce!

1
Tap to bounce bleed at -1 bleed. If the acting minion is younger this card cost 3 instead.

-1 bleed can be changed to become dnr or 'not usable after blocks are declined' or 'not usable if this vampire not even bothered to block this bleed' or anything else. There is many options for disciplineless bounce. Point is, why only bounce should act as solid bleed defense ?

First we argue about why not make bleed bounce for other disciplines or even without discipline. What's next? Agg hand damage for presence? Vote push for protean?

We already have Lost in Translation, but obviously it's not Tier1 enough for you guys.

I stated it a year ago or so that bleed bounce is overrated and stick with it. Sometimes the key is not only in deck building, but play style. You can always try to backoust a bleed predator and still win the game. Done it like a 100 times meanwhile.

I am steering way clear of this argument. I have stated my opinion of it at the very begging

Sometimes, listening to this community, it seems that some people want all the disciplines to bleed, bounce, vote and fight at the same time, because it would be "balanced" and "interesting" and " versatile".

I say it only leads to boring

Also, Mephistopheles : ---> Points at Loki's gift Sup. effect at protean : See, the doom started with KOT , vote push (kinda) for protean! B)